Another Cameron lie exposed ?

[Canary42]

And the bad news that the Tories are hoping is kept off the front page by the Wedding......

National Health Service further cuts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13242722

Whatever happened to Cameron's pre-election pledge "I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS" ?

[scotman]

I can't comment on the NHS as I have never worked in it.
I have some experience of working in the civil service. This has usually been in an operational situation.
My observation has been that most people work reasonably hard and are trying to do a good job.
The biggest problems that I have seen are an almost universal and total inability of middle level managers to design appropriate work-flow systems and to make decisions. I have also suffered through unsuitable software applications being provided.

[whiskeryron]

I cannot prove anything but I have a sneaking suspicion that the tories would just love to emulate the United States & make everybody pay health insurance in order to have medical & hospital treatment, now they can't openly do this so I think it will somehow slip into the back door starting with close this close that cut here cut there until ultimately there will be hardly anything left of the once proud N.H.S & then they can start to introduce payment before delivery.Ron.

[boxtops]

Scotman, there is truthful comparison there in certain quarters. Software in many quarters over the years has been started and abandoned, with huge contracts involved, IMO. There is a lot of wheel-reinventing. I have never been shy about sharing my ways of working and experiences with colleagues in other counties, but we see large amounts of duplication from people not sharing - and because senior staff and roles have changed very frequently, what has gone before has often been lost, and people have to start again.

[Sqad]

boxtops.....it is interesting how a medical person and a well informed administrator like yourself considers waste or lack of it in the NHS with regard to a previous thread.

This accent on Primary care in my opinion is a nonsense and a waste of money, the GP's surgeries should close down and a polyclinic for the GP'S should be centralised serving a population of 100.000 offering 24 hour emergency cove, X-Ray facilities, physiotherapy and blood taking facilities as well as well baby clinics. This routine visit of doctors to patients homes is an anachronism and a waste of time and money. Patients should be assessed at home by nurses, as they now have Nursing Degrees and any patient that needs medical care of that urgency should be in hospital. Yes...it would mean the p\ patients travelling to the doctor , but the care would be medically far superior.

The voters would never accept this, so we are stuck with an inefficient out of date, totally unaffordable NHS.

[boxtops]

Interesting sqad, and I would not disagree with much you say. However, home visits are very rare these days - the Community Matrons are those more often in patients' homes these days, and they liaise very closely with "their" GPs regarding treatment regimes. We are not yet at the stage of all-degree practice nurses! We are seeing more and more MIUs and walk-on Centres, but they are not 24-7, and surgeries are combining so practices with less than 1000 patients are now far less common.

The new consortia may bring quite a bit of overall reorganisation - new information has been coming out nearly every day (although it's on hold at the moment while the Govt does its Listening exercise).

[DeadEndStreet]

youngmafbog
// I see the usual lefty nonsense about dont fall ill,

My missus works for the NHS and she says money is lobbed around and wasted still, stall take no end of sick days and many are bone idle.//

Quick story youngmafbog first time i was in i some of my blood ended up on the bed.
Had to go back in for same thing about a month later and guess what i ended up in the same bed in the same side room.
My old dried blood was still on the bed frame.

Food was served in such small portions that one lad had food from the local chippy brought in by his girlfriend every night for a number of people on the ward.


So from someone who has been an inmate in a NHS Hospital take that persons advice from early on.

Dont fall ill you have been warned by more than one person .

[Sqad]

boxtops....let's hope so......bu tif it does then there will be cries of "the Tories are breaking up the NHS".....I say the Tories as Labour would never dare to meddle.....however much th cost.

[New Judge]

Well, boxtops, I hope my GP practice is not among those bestowed with extra responsibilities.

Despite having seven or eight doctors, half a dozen nurses, four receptionists and a "practice manager" on its books it only provides service for four and a half days a week (8:30am to 5pm Monday to Friday, one and a half hour closure for lunch and no service on Thursday after 12 noon). They provide no out of hours service, having instead contracted out such inconveniences to a locum service. If you need a blood test you have to traipse to the local hospital (four miles away). If you need you blood pressure taken you do it yourself on a machine in the waiting room. No appointments are made more than 48 hours in advance (so ensuring they meet their target) so if the quack wants you to come back next week you cannot make an appointment on your way out, you have to ring up in five days time.

Meanwhile, of course, you can have your baby weighed and attend no-smoking classes and obesity classes any time you wish.

The people running this “service” are not providing what people need. To entrust them with the responsibility (and the funds) to run the services to which they send people with whom they cannot deal is utter lunacy.

[mike11111]

We have been paying health insurance since 1948. It is part of our NI contributions.

[Cowtipper]

A lot of reluctance over socializing healthcare here is from the Brit model. I hope it gets overturned but its unlikely. The first thing people did after it was passed was turn it into some right to life issue.