Why doesnt he

[bazwillrun]

...convert to islam, they would take the cams down in an instant, next theyd be tripping over themselves to apologise, and if he made a claim saying theyd breached his ooman righs, I'm sure he get a good whack of compo !

http://www.telegraph....ing-house-arrest.html

another brilliant example of the double standards in this country

[pa___ul3]

I'm lost, what are the double standards?

[anotheoldgit]

bazwillrun, I'll let you explain to pa___ul3, I'm exhausted.

[Zeuhl]

In fairness to pa____ul3

I think it would be useful if you could post a link to the stories of specific Muslims who had government spy cameras installed and then removed after complaining.

[Sqad]

Surveillance of a Caucasian in the UK.......no big deal

Surveillance of a Muslim in the UK.......totally unacceptable practice.

That is the gist pa__ul3

[Zeuhl]

I can tell you what you probably already know, guess or hope ...

there are a lot of Muslims in the UK currently under surveillance!

[sandyRoe]

Is there no covert surveillance of suspected terrorists, whatever their religion, in the UK?

[Zeuhl]

MI5 is busier than ever sandy, have no fear

[emmie]

our borough has cctv cameras everywhere, there is no place i know that doesnt have them. No one says anything about that, or at least if they do, you get told its for security purposes. In the hope perhaps one of the law abiding citizens will drop a banana skin, the police would be out like a shot. But murder someone here and it goes virtually unnoticed.

[bazwillrun]

In Birmingham fairly recently cameras that were installed to keep an eye on the muslim fraternity, after recent terrorist activities by muslims, had to be pulled down because it was consider to be an affront and a breach of their ooman rights.

I see evidence of more selective memory on here by some

[Zeuhl]

baz exactly my point.

a specific individual such as Assange (on bail i believe) or less discriminate?

<<keep an eye on the muslim fraternity>>

Exactly!

There are plenty of targeted surveillance of specific muslim individuals going on - don't confuse it with ill considered community-wide 'big brother'

[Ellipsis]

Cameras watching public streets and places is not a breach of human rights. Cameras peering into private property is. There's a difference...

[pa___ul3]

Gotcha baz, I hadn't heard this story about the surveilance of Muslims.
It's a tough one, however much I feel that this type of surveillance is wrong and surely illegal, if any kind of terrorist activity is suspected to be taking place (by anyone) it's fair to say that we need to know before anything bad happens.
I don't understand why they're so intent on tracking Julian Assanges every move, though.
It makes sense that the cameras were taken down though once the complaint was made as it kind of defeats the object to have them there!

[anotheoldgit]

pa___ul3

Just for interest are you in favour of ALL surveillance cameras to be taken down?

[emmie]

cctv cameras picked up on the men who bombed London 7th July, but that still didn't stop the event happening, as the men, they just seemed to be going about their business, they left 52 people dead, and hundreds injured. So having CCTV is not a deterrent, it just might make it a bit easier for catching them afterwards that's all

[Zeuhl]

The surveillance cameras targeting suspected terrorists are not visible.

[pa___ul3]

no AOG, I just meant those put in place to servey a specific person / group of people.
I do think CCTV can act as a deterrant of crimes in general and, especially in city centres of an evening can help find out the perpetrators of violent crimes so I do think they are needed.

[sp1814]

I have strong doubts as to the effectiveness of CCTV in the prevention of crime - but I do believe that they help in speeding up prosecution (if in custody, you're presented with video evidence of your criminal activity, you're more likely to plead guilty, rather than waste the court's time).

However, in the case of the Birmingham community that was targeted, wasn't it shown to be a low crime area? And more importantly, unlike with city centres, the cameras were positioned covertly?

[sp1814]

Also - on the subject of double standards...hands up who want WANT to be Muslim in the UK at the moment? I'm pretty sure that we all enjoy a much better time (especially at airports for instance) because our names AREN'T Habib, Mohammed or Priya!!!

[emmie]

when you say not visible, not sure i understand that. Didn't cctv footage show the men in any number of places, going through the barriers at the station, at one point.