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The Arab Spring? should we be very cautious about the eventual outcome?
Was the world a safer place when the above was under the rule of of the now "hated" leaders of these countries?
What will be the consequences?
good or bad
What will be the consequences?
good or bad
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well the un are happy to acknowledge hamas
Hamas is the Palestinian Islamic or Islamist political party that governs the Gaza Strip.Since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories, after it won a majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament in the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections The European Union, the United States,Canada,Israel and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization, while the United Nations and nations such as Russia, Turkey and Switzerland do not.
Hamas is the Palestinian Islamic or Islamist political party that governs the Gaza Strip.Since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories, after it won a majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament in the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections The European Union, the United States,Canada,Israel and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization, while the United Nations and nations such as Russia, Turkey and Switzerland do not.
Here's a revolutionary idea: perhaps the peoples of the Middle East would actually like to live in freedom and peace. Perhaps they aren't all religious fanatics, sucide bombers etc. etc. Perhaps they've seen what life can be like in other countries and would actually like some of the same.
The people of Egypt in particular are a highly educated and intelligent people who probably don't appreciate being patronised by journalists like Robert Fisk, and in particular, rubbished by many of the people from the counties they look up to (like Britain)
The people of Egypt in particular are a highly educated and intelligent people who probably don't appreciate being patronised by journalists like Robert Fisk, and in particular, rubbished by many of the people from the counties they look up to (like Britain)
Brenden, no, Sadat's assassination was backed by al-Gama al-Islamiyya, which is non at all non-violent - in fact it was set up when the Brotherhood renounced violence (rather as breakaway IRA factions form when they don't want to go along with peace deals). Their involvement in attempts on Nasser's life (which happened before the renunciation of violence anyway) is still in dispute.
http://en.wikipedia.o...Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya
http://en.wikipedia.o...Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya
Yes we should be cautious. One of two things could happen.
1) The old leaders could be replaced with new ones who are equally as bad and the countries are cheated of the democracy they hope for.
or 2) Some force of democracy does take hold and the new elected leaders do in fact represent the views of the people, which might not necessarily be good news for the UK and US.
The UK (and US) seem to be engaging in a very inconsistent and confusing policy. We are supporting the revolutions in Libya, Syria, Egypt and Tunisia but supporting the western friendly dictators in UAE, Saudi etc. As usual, our actions are motivated by self interest rather than what is right and good for those peoples.
1) The old leaders could be replaced with new ones who are equally as bad and the countries are cheated of the democracy they hope for.
or 2) Some force of democracy does take hold and the new elected leaders do in fact represent the views of the people, which might not necessarily be good news for the UK and US.
The UK (and US) seem to be engaging in a very inconsistent and confusing policy. We are supporting the revolutions in Libya, Syria, Egypt and Tunisia but supporting the western friendly dictators in UAE, Saudi etc. As usual, our actions are motivated by self interest rather than what is right and good for those peoples.
"The UK (and US) seem to be engaging in a very inconsistent and confusing policy. We are supporting the revolutions in Libya, Syria, Egypt and Tunisia but supporting the western friendly dictators in UAE, Saudi etc. As usual, our actions are motivated by self interest rather than what is right and good for those peoples."
Well, spot the difference, which is that there are or have been upheavals in some countries, and in those situations Britan has, rightly IMO, supported the aspirations of those who are rebelling.
In Saudi Arabia and the UAE there have not been any uprisings (yet).
Don't forget, additionally, that Egypt and Tunisia were "western friendly" and indeed so was Libya to an extent, since Gaddafi realised he had more to gain by cosying up to western powers.
Well, spot the difference, which is that there are or have been upheavals in some countries, and in those situations Britan has, rightly IMO, supported the aspirations of those who are rebelling.
In Saudi Arabia and the UAE there have not been any uprisings (yet).
Don't forget, additionally, that Egypt and Tunisia were "western friendly" and indeed so was Libya to an extent, since Gaddafi realised he had more to gain by cosying up to western powers.
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