Is London no longer an Englishish city ?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.amren.com/...9/london_is_no_lo.php

Well according to John Cleese it isn't, he was quoted as saying:

/// "I had a Californian friend come over two months ago, walk down the King’s Road and say, “Where are all the English people?” ///

/// "I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you’re left thinking, “Well, what’s going on?”

Diverse: Areas of London like Whitechapel, pictured below, are extremely multicultural:

http://i.dailymail.co...005DC-791_468x310.jpg

[anotheoldgit]

237SJ

/// Tell that to the South Africans ///

A white person born in South Africa is generally referred to as a South African, an Afrikaner, or by their origin ie British etc.

But definitely not 'A Native African'.

[THECORBYLOON]

aog, if you seen a white prson, would you think they were English? If you seen a non-whiter person, would you think they were not English?

[THECORBYLOON]

"non-white" even...

[237SJ]

AOG, if you`re born somewhere that makes you native in my book. You talk about native americans. They (along with all American Indians) originated in Mongolia/China so nobody is truely native. I see what you are originally saying but the colour of one`s skin doesn`t really determine how English they are. Someone from the Caribbean has far more similarities (christian, English speaking, drive on the left etc) with English culture than , for example, a white skinned Chinese person. You can`t always tell how diluted a culture is by looking at skin colour. Culture goes much deeper than that.

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// but can a black English prson not be proud to be English too? ///

Of course they can, but the sad fact is that the majority of races that come or are born to this country don't wish to be English.

Unfortunately they prefer to remain loyal to their own nationality and culture, and conduct their lives as if they still lived in the country of their forefathers.

Why some even class themselves Africans, even though they have never journeyed to that continent, even West Indians take offence at being called West Indians, and prefer to separate themselves as being from the particular West Indian Island they originated from.

[Canary42]

People go to where they think they'll be better off, and sometimes it does overcome the indigenous population - USA, Australia and New Zealand are examples. If it happens here then that's life - deal with it. It happens at a "local" level too - Eastbourne is overrun by Old Gits.

[Gromit]

I wonder how Cleese can tell the difference between someone who lives in London and someone visiting it?

London attracts 15.2million foreign tourists every year. They add £8.6billion to London's economy.

That is not a failure, it is a success.

[sandyRoe]

Where does John Cleese live now?

[THECORBYLOON]

"even West Indians take offence at being called West Indians, and prefer to separate themselves as being from the particular West Indian Island they originated from." yet it is okay for an English person to say they are English rather than British? There are a fair few nations in the West Indies aog, is it any wonder thay have their own identities?

[THECORBYLOON]

thay????? honestly....

[IggyB]

let me get this straight - a tourist went to the kings road and complained that it was full of tourists?

And this 'story' was brought to us by strange pro-white website via an old comic actor who moved to America 20 odd years ago.

[Gromit]

IggyB nailed it.

[Kromovaracun]

"Of course they can, but the sad fact is that the majority of races that come or are born to this country don't wish to be English. "

I disagree, and think you've severely misunderstood what people mean when they talk about their nationality.

When people talk about having an African/W. Indian identity, what they're referring to is heritage/ancestry. What they're referring to is exactly what you always seem to be saying people never refer to - that their family going back however many generations were born elsewhere and thus by osmosis they have some form of identification with and interest in it. This is ultimately just a long-term result of the fact that the relevant facts are much better documented than they have been historically and that in the information age it's much easier to find out about.

This does not mean they cannot consider themselves British as well or that they can't identify with the society they live in and in most cases are born into. It's not necessarily the case that every last one does, but I think what you're saying rests very strongly in the realm of assertions. And if you ask me seems to indicate an extreme, self-conscious and wilfull lack of empathy.

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// aog, if you seen a white prson, would you think they were English? If you seen a non-whiter person, would you think they were not English? ///

That is a difficult question to answer, as I have already said,

"It is a sad fact that one can only spot people who are not of the typical white indigenous population of England, by the colour of their skin".

But if you see a white person, one cannot possibly assume that they typically belong to the white indigenous population of England.

All one could say for certain is that they are a 'member of the Caucasian classification'.

[Kromovaracun]

"It is a sad fact that one can only spot people who are not of the typical white indigenous population of England, by the colour of their skin

So the answer to TCL's question is 'Yes', apparently. Forgive me, but this doesn't seem like a particularly nuanced or sophisticated argument as you seem to imply.

[anotheoldgit]

Canary42

/// If it happens here then that's life - deal with it.///

Isn't that why the EDL are forever being classed as Racists/Fascists, for trying to do exactly what you suggest I do, and that is 'deal with it'?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I wonder how Cleese can tell the difference between someone who lives in London and someone visiting it? ///

I think even you know what he means.

One could equally say " I wonder how anyone can tell who actually lives in Blackburn, Birmingham, or Leicester for example, and who is visiting"?

[THECORBYLOON]

Since 66% of London's population were born here and the English are in the majority in the UK, I think it's safe to say London IS an English city still.

[THECORBYLOON]

Is it the number of English folk in London or the number of non-white folk in London that concerns you?

[Kromovaracun]

"One could equally say " I wonder how anyone can tell who actually lives in Blackburn, Birmingham, or Leicester for example, and who is visiting"? "

No you couldn't. The original poster provided figures for you, demonstrating why there's a very significant chance they could be tourists.