A fatal mistake

[rov1100]

With hindsight was Jo nieve in allowing Tabak, amost a complete stranger to enter her flat and will it send a warning to vulnerable people of the opposite sex?

[ladybirder]

So rov what exactly do you mean, because I can't believe you mean what my mind is telling me you're suggesting?

[naomi24]

I think rov means what he said. Jo should have kicked him where it hurts, which is an incredibly thoughtless thing to say. Such naivity doesn't offend me - it simply tells me that some men have no conception of what it's like to be a woman on the receiving end. No doubt Jo fought him as best she could, but a woman's strength rarely matches that of a man - and less still if that man happens to be determined in some depraved perversion - as Jo's murderer was. Think about it rov.

(Actually, I've been advised not to attempt to kick or knee an attacker in the nether regions because there's every chance of missing, but rather to poke him in the eyes - or grab him by the testicles and twist as hard as possible).

[sara3]

his initial question implies that she shouldn't have invited her neighbour in for coffee, and then that she should have thought of defending herself.

I find that quite shameful, really.

[naomi24]

I don't find it shameful - I just find it a sad indictment on society that people are expected to be aware that they might become a victim whatever the circumstances. I'd think about it if I were walking alone late at night, but I don't think it would occur to me if I were inviting a neighbour in for coffee - and clearly it didn't occur to Jo either.

[ladybirder]

The evidence of the wounds on her body shows Jo fought very hard for her life against Tabak, who was a foot taller and a lot heavier. It would have taken a miracle for her to save herself. I just don't see where rov is coming from here.

[anotheoldgit]

/// it simply tells me that some men have no conception of what it's like to be a woman on the receiving end.///

Whoops Rov it seems just like poor old Eamonn, you have upset the ladies.

How dare a mortal man think he knows what it is like to be a woman.

[sandyRoe]

Not many men get raped and murdered. How could a man know what it is like to be a woman?

[boxtops]

I don't think Jo was naive to let him in - I let the man next door come in, he's my neighbour but I don't know him particularly well. What i though was odd was his statement that he thought she was leading him on when she said about her cat "He keeps going where he shouldn't", in what he said was a "flirty manner". That doesn't sound flirty to me, nor (to me) an invitation to kiss her (or more). I don't think she did anything I wouldn't - but she paid for it with her life.

[ladybirder]

As I said before, she might not have let him in, we only have his word for that. She might not have liked the look of him when she opened the door and denied him entry so he forced his way in. We don't know and we probably never will.

[sandyRoe]

I agree with Ladybirder. We only have the murderer's account of what happened. He is trying to put himself in the least worst light with his account.

[emmie]

that's was why i posted about this, good that it is a murder charge as opposed to the manslaughter charge that he was hoping for. A despicable, warped man, who should serve longer than 20 years, some of which may be in a jail in Holland, i heard this on the news report earlier today.

[naomi24]

AOG, //Whoops Rov it seems just like poor old Eamonn, you have upset the ladies. How dare a mortal man think he knows what it is like to be a woman. //

I usually leave it to other people to highlight your crass stupidity, AOG, but since you've quoted me, on this occasion I'll do it myself. You really have no idea of what it's like to be a woman on the receiving end, so please don't insult us by firstly assuming you do, and secondly by making light of the very real abuse that some women suffer at the hands of violent men - in this case cold blooded, brutal, murder. So much for your self-appointed British Bulldog persona!! You disgrace the very concept, and if you possessed one iota of decency you would hang your head in shame!!

Incidentally, Eamonn didn't upset me. I agreed with him.

[Psybbo]

"He keeps going where he shouldn't",
I wonder did he gain access by binging her cat to her door.

[ummmm]

AOG - How dare a mortal man think he knows what it is like to be a woman.

Do you know what it's like to be a woman? Especially a woman facing an attacker? Please let us know what you would have done to save your life....just so all the 'real' women can use it for future reference.

[boxtops]

This is the report I'm thinking of - it says she waved and invited him in, the comment about the cat is in this report. http://www.bbc.co.uk/...land-bristol-15384069

[cathfromsaron]

i have felt very uncomfortable with certain meter readers and workmen, but could never explain why! she would just think nothing of letting her neighbour in for a second!

[emmie]

Naomi, for once i don't agree. As i said before, and has been proven time and again, women and men don't forget, can be raped, sexually assaulted at any point in the day or night. Add to someone else's post that even getting a taxi doesn't make you safe. It was a taxi driver who raped all those women a little ago. He pretended he'd won on the lottery i think, and asked the women who got in the cab, if they would a glass of champagne to celebrate his good fortune, spiked the drink then raped them. You can't second guess someone's intentions.

[Ann]

I am shocked at the sight of some girls "going out on the razzle" in our town - they are positively inviting trouble with their dress sense and their flirty attitudes not to mention their drunken state even at 9pm .......... goodness knows what they are like walking home at 2 in the morning (I'm safely tucked up in bed) I know one poor fella whose life was ruined when he was falsely accused of rape by a vindictive young girl who thought it was a fun thing to do to him - thats why I am always suspicious ........... sad society we live in.

[naomi24]

Sorry Em, I'm not with you. What don't you agree with?

[Ann]

Not that I think poor Jo was at any fault in this case, I was just making a comment about some young girls.....