Is this long enough in the slammer for these savages?

[Kayless]

http://news.sky.com/h...news/article/16105258

[VHG]

No its not.

This was a cold, calculated series of crimes against the old, disabled and vulnerable.

It was not an opportunistic crime (which can sometimes be excused) but a series of crimes carried out over a period of time against the weakest in society.

I hope their time in prision is hell and look forward to hearing someone inside has taken revenge (I dont like to say this but this crime made me very angry).

They deserve everything they get.

[B00]

Yes.

What they did was awful, but i'm assuming they got 5ish years each? Hopefully long enough for them to see the error of their ways.

We have to get some prospective here, what they did was horrible, but it wasn't murder.

[VHG]

Prison sentences as follows;

Francis Tomney senior was jailed for five-and-a-half years for conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation and two charges of cheating the public revenue and handling stolen passports.

His twins sons were also given prison sentences. Francis Tomney junior was jailed for five years for conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation and cheating the public revenue.

Thomas Tomney was jailed for four years and six months for conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation.

[anneasquith]

no

[ummmm]

I agree with BOO.

How long do you think they should have got Kayless?

[VHG]

>but i'm assuming they got 5ish years each
>Hopefully long enough for them to see the error of their ways.

No it was not murder, but forcing an 88 year old woman with dementia to sell her £70,000 house for £16,000, telling her she could live in it for the rest of her life, and then cutting off her gas and electricity is pretty awful (and could have killed her).

How would you feel if it was your mother?

And remember the young idiots who posted "riot" posts on Facebook got 3 or 4 years (not condoning it, but these were young stupid kids were doing something on the spur of the moment).

These guys only got 5 years. And how much of that will they serve. only 2 or 3 perhaps.

They will consider that a good return for how much money they made, over £500,000, so they must have conned a lot of old people.

[Kayless]

well I'd accept what they got if it meant it but they'll do half the sentence so on the basis they do half I'd say 10 years a peice.

[Old_Geezer]

There are some real dodgy folk out there. My sister was unwise enough to hire someone from an ad in the local free newspaper. Was completely hopeless as the result I saw proved, but my sister said that was only half of it. They left things, didn't get stuff right, when workmen did turn up they took the Mickey, he himself was aggressive. Even took payments he was not let entitled to as the job was clearly not finished by quoting the card detail she had foolishly used for the deposit payment. Turns out he knew what he could get away with though, difficult to pin down. Seems the contract had been written sufficiently ambiguous such that getting the window frame in counted as job complete and he grabbed the rest of the cash with an unfinished extension and shoddy workmanship on what was done. Unbelievable what she went through. A search on the Net uncovered many many folk with similar grievances against him, but it was too late by then.

When you make many people's lives a misery for personal gain one wonders how much misery equates to a murder, on occasion. I guess 20 years may be sufficient if they pay back all they conned folk out of. But their callous actions make me wonder even then. They don't really deserve to be on the same planet as decent folk.

[Kayless]

Oh and they should seize everything they can from these lowlives and give what they can back to the victims.

[B00]

"How would you feel if it was your mother? "

But she wasn't, and neither was she the judges, and as such neither of us reacted in a knee jerk way.

[DTCwordfan]

Its about the right tariff when compared to other similar crimes - the issue is not about length of sentence, it is about whether they reform their cheating ways.....

[VHG]

According to the BBC web site they conned 51 people (probably more) using threats and intimidation.

They got about 5 years (which is 260 weeks). 260 weeks divided by 51 crimes is 5 weeks per crime (of course some crimes were worse than others).

Does not sound a lot to me for the extreme use of intimidation against old and vulnerable people. These vulnerable people need protecting.

I would have given them 10 years each (and made them serve it).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-lancashire-15622785

[DTCwordfan]

And why not hang them too while you are at it, VHG...

[VHG]

>>>and as such neither of us reacted in a knee jerk way.

I suppose you would have given them 100 hours community service.

With soft liberals like you around no wonder people like these low lifes think they can get away with it (and usually do).

One day you will be at the end of an awful crime, and lets see how you react.

[DTCwordfan]

No I have stated I think the sentences meted out were balanced, not 100 hrs of community service.

[jackthehat]

I bet the greater part of the sentence is the tariff for defrauding the Taxman, rather than the despicable manner in which they behaved to these vulnerable pensioners....

[bazwillrun]

"And why not hang them too while you are at it, VHG..."

well they wont be up to their old trick if that happened.

I remember seeing an article not that long ago where most criminals said that the fact they got caught was just down to bad luck, so the chances of getting caught again were pretty slim.

These scum will no doubt get out and come up with another scam, its probably all they know how to do

[DTCwordfan]

And being a paid up member of the Tory party, admittedly a Pattenist, I take your reference to being a "soft liberal" as an immense compliment. Part of Britain's problem is that folk, like you, have become extremists and then there is the greed element. A return to a neoMethodist/Liberal attitude to life would be welcome (without the religion in it) a society where those who had made it, give back to society either in money or in their guidance and coaching, and allow staff in their organisations to do so as well.

And a degree of balance and compassion in society as well.

Nothing wrong in being Utopian and delusional about this......

[B00]

The question was asked if I/ we believed their sentence was long enough, I believe it is. If I was a "soft liberal" as you saw fit to label me as VHG, don't you think i'd have already said I'd prefer it if they got community service?

[rojash]

"I suppose you would have given them 100 hours community service. "
What a ridiculous thing to say to someone who has just clearly stated that they they about 5 years is right.