Perverts at the Mail?

[sp1814]

Okay - last 'Daily Mail bashing post of the month...promise.

Have a look at this story:

http://www.dailymail....Love-performance.html

Now, am I being over-sensitive by pointing out that referring to Rihanna's outfit as "Tantalizing in tartan...Rihanna set pulses racing in a naughty school girl get up".

Seriously - how dodgy is that?

Turn it around for a moment - say if Robbie Williams released a track and appeared in the accompanying video dressed a boy scout, there would be an outcry if he were described as "Robbie was dressed as a sexy school boy..."

It's wrong, surely???

[ummmm]

I think the school girl thing just reminds men of when they first started having sexual feelings...and lusting after girls at school.

[pa___ul3]

well whatever her outfit 'kind of resembled' it was Rihanna herself who made it sexy, she looks great.
AOG, I think there's more of an issue with the thinking behind a sexy schoolgirl outfit than there is behind a sexy swimmer outfit (although I reckon they'd struggle in those boots!) If they're at a gay festival I doubt many chaps there would be complaining about their outfits, I think you're just jealous of their pecs!

[andy-hughes]

I think it's more the fantasy that a girl who is of tender years, and should look demure in her uniform, actuially sends out signals that she is voraciously sexually active, and that any man in her company is guarenteed some serious enjoyment.

This juxtaposition is expanded by the 'fancy dress' version where a more mature woman wears the uniform, but with obvious erotic signals - very short skirt, open blouse, suspenders, combined with the 'schoolgirl' aspects - hair in bunches, freckles added, and so on.

I never had the chance to fancy girls at school, I went to an all-boys' school, and I was seventeen before I spoke to a girl who was not a friend of one of my sisters.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

I consider that I have the right to refrain from providing you with those answers, since my 'assertions' (as you put them) were not addressed at you.

[andy-hughes]

Absolutely you have that right AOG - as long as you refrain from quesationing anyone else in any of the threads to which you contribute, or as is more often the case - originate.

If you do not wish to enter the spirit of debate which you champion so vociforously elsewhere, then you must in fairness obey your own rules, and cease questioning anyone else's comments and requesting evidence for their views.

As long as we all debate the same way, there will be no issue will there?

[paddywak]

Well I don't really know what the fuss is about, take a walk through the Pub/Club area of virtually any town or city at a weekend and you can really get your eyes opened espescially if there are a couple of Hen Parties out on the razzle.

[andy-hughes]

The fuss is paddywak - because impressionable children are not walking around pubs and clubs in city centres seeing the atire of clubbers and drinkers - they are at home watching pre-watershed entertainment with their families, where a degree of reeponsibility should be exercised by programme makers and TV companies about what is shown to them in their own homes.

[sp1814]

In terms of what she was wearing, I think Rihanna was FAR more demure this time (there was an almighty row over her outfit on last year's X Factor final).

Still seems bizarre to me (the tacit acceptance of the term 'naughty' or 'sexy' schoolgirl.

Tell you what - it's as dodgy as a grown man fancying that young diver boy, Tom Daley (I think that's the spelling).

Just...not...right.

[sp1814]

Well, I stand corrected. Apparently Tom Daley is 17 which makes him of legal age - but to me, there's still something a bit wrong with grown adults fancying teenagers - basically people who were children not so long ago.

[sp1814]

andy-hughes

Your post from 13:09 summarised what I would've written perfectly!

[andy-hughes]

She was sp - as long as you don't let your eyes linger on her soes for too long!

I don't think your comparison with a man fancying Tom Daley quite works - the idea of a schoolgirl as a sex symbol has been a standard of British culture for over fifty years, it is instantly recogniseable - but the idea of attraction in a teenage boy would not be something as instantly visualised with the same conext behind it.

[andy-hughes]

Thanks sp - but either AOG is offline just now, or i am not going to get a response - we shall await with interest.

Should be be busy preparing some blast of vitriol in my direction, let me pre-empt it by saying that I am merely interested in the 'level playing field' of debate to which he referred, if memory serves, last week. I am not trying to pick a fight (which doesn't mean I won't get one!).

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

You must learn not to take such a pompous attitude, I have pointed this out to you before, only for you take offence.

So before you once again challenge me for calling you pompous take another look at what you typed.

/// as long as you refrain from quesationing anyone else in any of the threads to which you contribute, or as is more often the case - originate.///

I do not need you or anyone else for that matter telling me to refrain from questioning anyone else.

If I have originated a thread, then I have every right to question all those joining in, and likewise they in turn have every right not to supply me with an answer if they themselves deem it necessary.

I am not trying to be confrontational, or insulting towards you Andy, but please take the time to read through your post again and also that of mine, and see if you still hold the same opinion.

[DTCwordfan]

Maybe AOG is taking a photo of what he looks like in a tartan skirt, andy.

Is AB ready?

[DTCwordfan]

He's emerged, all maces and hammers flaying, just like Mel Gibson in Braveheart.

[pa___ul3]

SP I have to disagree, I don't think men see the outfit and necessarily think 'ooh she's like a schoolgirl now'.. I still think they see the woman inside it. (I'm talking generally speaking). I don't think men get as wrapped up in the fantasy as women do, the turn of for men is more likely that it's a how woman wearing not much and showing a bit of flesh.
Although there is too much of an acceptance towards grown men fancying young women (in the case of the countdown to Charlotte Church turning 16), I think that's a different issue to this. It's becoming more acceptable the other way round too though (as in later teens, not illegal) i.e grown women fancying Justin Bieber or the lads from One Direction.

[sp1814]

pa___ul3

Now that's interesting - you're right in that there are a couple (actually more than a couple) of grown women who I know who have openly said what they would like to do with One Direction, and hypocritically I found that acceptable, whereas the Hermione Clock (similar to the Charlotte Church one) seemed distinctly wrong.

However in saying that, I still think it's odd - the whole 'St Trinians' thing.

Also, I should clarify - I wasn't saying that I viewed Rihanna as a schoolgirl. Far from it - I only picked up on the reference to 'naughty schoolgirl' when her performance was reviewed in the Mail and it struck me as odd language to use.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "I am not trying to be confrontational, or insulting towards you Andy, but please take the time to read through your post again and also that of mine, and see if you still hold the same opinion."

I have.

I do.

And I am offended - again.

I know you are not 'trying' to be confrontational or insulting - as with a number of other people on this site to whom you behave in the same way - you don't have to try, it's effortless for you.

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - "I am not trying to pick a fight (which doesn't mean I won't get one!)."

Told you! LOL!!!

[pa___ul3]

I know you weren't saying anyone was seeing her as a schoolgirl, I was referring in general to the naughty schoolgirl outfits. At first thought, it really does seem very wrong, so I thought about my reaction and it would be to look at the woman in it, unless she looked particularly young then I honestly don't think there's an issue with it, I don't think any man enjoying that kind of thing, say in role play, is necessarily hiding any kind or latent paedophilic desire and I think in this instance the DM is right in addressing it for what it simply is and not what it could be if you assume there's evil on every corner.

I think the clocks are just plain creepy, these girls are minors that are clearly being considered as sexual objects. I can't believe people thought they'd be socially acceptable!