Is it bye bye Eurozone?

[Kayless]

According to David Murrin on Panorama tonight, it is unsustainable and it's collapse is inevitable. What do we think people?

[emmie]

Nox, how do you know those dissenters are from England, and don't care what happens to others, seems a strange idea that one would be rubbing one's hands with glee. Some do know the consequences of being left on the shelf, only some might see, that others may join in before long. Rojash, a person who i have tangled with to some extent, is completely right about Greece, they were better off before adopting the Euro, and are deeply in trouble now, a Greek businessman friend has given me a blow by blow account of all that is wrong, and strange to say i believe him before i believe the Europhiles and their spin on how we will all go to hell in a handcart over not kow towing to the Germany/France current proposals.

[New Judge]

I'm not whooping with joy, NOX. Neither am I nasty nor an idiot. I do understnd the consequences (though they are nowhere near as disastrous as has been suggested).

The Euro was condemned to an early death the day it was born and its continued survival by throwing other people's money at it is having a profound effect on the global economy. The uncertainty needs to be ended swiftly.

[Old_Geezer]

Someone really must introduce me to these crazy Little Englanders sometime. I seem to have been lucky enough not to ever come across any. I must lead a sheltered life.

[Brenden]

I also am not whooping for joy if the euro collapses we will all suffer the consequences, but as NJ states it was doomed from the beginning - as for Greece being the first to leave I will put my money on Ireland.

[emmie]

OG, me neither, i find it offensive that all English people are lumped together this way, as though some kind of sub species. Alex Salmond was bemoaning the fact he wasn't consulted on the comments that DC made at the latest summit, should we call him a little Scottisher, seems a bit of a mouthful i must say.

[venator]

Spot on, New Judge - your earlier post summed it up rather well, although your average syllable count may have been far beyond some of the Sun readers on this thread.

I like your reference to "throwing other people's money", which echoes Saint Maggie's judgement of the Labour party - which regularly fails in government when it runs out of other people's money.

Of course, the money the EU will run out of is Germany's money....

[emmie]

I see Greece going first, probably pushed out by Merkhozy, as they so far have been the one spoiling the party, or so they think.

[Craftypig]

As has already been stated the Euro was flawed from its inception even the man that came up with the idea has said recently that it was full of pitfalls and trouble. I am amused by people that think we in the UK will be affected negatively should the Eurozone collapse, we import far more from Europe than we export they need us more than they are willing to accept. Anyone that feels the need to change laws (Lisbon treaty) in order to make something that is clearly dead in the water work shows how desperate they are "we will make it work regardless of what we have to do in order to achieve that goal".......

[Brenden]

And of course the IMF cannot prop up a currency i.e. the euro, which will make matters worse.

[NOX]

My comment was not aimed at either New Judge, Em10, OG or any of you who have actually replied since. It was actually aimed at Cazz and Tabitha in support of Jno, and if you're missing the ' Little Englanders' then just have a browse around the site- I can asure you they aren't difficult to find.

[cazzz1975]

hi nox, my comment was not worded well, I actually agree wholeheartedly with OG and NJ.

[emmie]

Nox, i'm English and proud to admit it, but don't consider that what Europe is going through, let alone the rest of the world a good thing. But sometimes one has to take a stand, especially when you see, hear, read, something that is patently wrong. Notice that Clegg didn't show his face when DC was being lambasted, wonder why?

[Brenden]

And Milliband made a rather hasty exit from the house when asked three times what would he have done had he been PM (still did not answer) - well I think we know - he would have signed.

[emmie]

Brenden, wasn't it DC asking him over and again what he would have done, which is exactly what i was wondering myself, signed or not, and i reckon that he would have.

[Brenden]

Yes em and a another MP cannot remember his name - what a pathetic idiot Milliband looked yesterday especially when DC had to explain to him how the EU worked, what is the abbreviation that appears on here "lol".

[New Judge]

I’ve looked quickly through this question, Messi.

Nowhere do I see any indication that “so many ...are quite happy to see millions of Europeans lose their livelihoods.” Many (including me) would be glad to see an end to the Euro in its current form because it is leading to continued instability not only in Europe but across the world. The ridiculous single currency project has already cost many, many jobs across Europe and prolonging the crisis will cost many, many more. European politicians haven’t a clue how to handle the problem (apart from throwing other people's money at it and introducing a tax of which 45% would be paid by the UK). The proposals tabled last week to which David Cameron refused to agree will not help one jot. Only when the nations for whom the Euro is not suitable disengage themselves from the lunacy and revert to their own individual currencies with control their own affairs will a permanent solution prevail.

It is very disappointing to see the phrase “Sick, sad, Little Englanders!” bandied about to label people (presumably including the Prime Minister) who do not concur with your viewpoint. A big issue has been made of Mr Cameron vetoing the EU’s proposals because they conflict with the interests of the UK. Time and again the French have refused to agree with reform of the Common Agricultural Policy (of which they are by far and away the main beneficiaries and from which most other countries gain little) and the Spanish have not been unknown to thwart plans to change the rules governing fishing. I haven’t seen them described as Sick Little Frenchies or Sad Little Spaniards.

Have you?

[Mr Crossy]

I think the answer is staring us all in the face. Cede sovereignty to the European Parliament. The 17 gave up their national currencies ... why not take the next step? Real power to the EP would produce a single executive force which would be devoid of the indecision of 17 different administrations. Bit of a difficulty with the 10 non-Euro-currency nations, I suppose, but no harder to live with than the West Lothain question.