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Would you or i have gotten off so lightly ?.....
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I know you get great joy from believing there is a synical conspiracy to give people in pow special treatment but I think a 12 month community order sounds about right.
I'm pretty sure if you get drunk tonight and give someone a bloody nose you won't be locked up in Pentonville
(Always assuming you don't have a history of violence)
I'm pretty sure if you get drunk tonight and give someone a bloody nose you won't be locked up in Pentonville
(Always assuming you don't have a history of violence)
" give someone a bloody nose "
common assault on the three people and the more serious charge of common assault by beating on one other
you handwringers really do take the biscuit, and you have the cheek to say I think there is a conspiricay, any proof of that or is it yet again just another example your overactive imagination at work .
common assault on the three people and the more serious charge of common assault by beating on one other
you handwringers really do take the biscuit, and you have the cheek to say I think there is a conspiricay, any proof of that or is it yet again just another example your overactive imagination at work .
Rare I agree with Jake, but its true that it would be unlilley anyone who was not a repeat offender would be jailed.
He will also loose his job, or at least be expelled from the labour party and is in the national(if not world) media.For most people this would not happen either. He is also banned from the boozer.
The man has been an idiot whilst under the infulence. He is not the first and wont be the last.
He will also loose his job, or at least be expelled from the labour party and is in the national(if not world) media.For most people this would not happen either. He is also banned from the boozer.
The man has been an idiot whilst under the infulence. He is not the first and wont be the last.
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******* - pleaded guilty to assaullt by beating, given a 12 month vommunity order with 80 hours unpaid work, ordered to pay £100 compensation and £85 costs
******** - please guiltyto asault by beating given 12 month supervision order, ordered to pay £100 comp and £85 costs
****** pleaded guilty to two counts of assault by beating, given a 24 month community order with 300 hours paid work, ordered to pay £2768 comp and £85.00 cost
that three in this weeks court reports similar or not???
******** - please guiltyto asault by beating given 12 month supervision order, ordered to pay £100 comp and £85 costs
****** pleaded guilty to two counts of assault by beating, given a 24 month community order with 300 hours paid work, ordered to pay £2768 comp and £85.00 cost
that three in this weeks court reports similar or not???
I think, baz, before you make any rash assumptions about unduly lenient treatment, you need to have a glance at the Magistrates’ Court sentencing guidelines . Have a look at pages 24-26 of this document:
http://sentencingcoun...ine_-_Crown_Court.pdf
(although this is labelled a Crown Court document it is used by magistrates when sentencing for Common Assault).
First of all, there is no separate offence as “assault by beating”. Common assault is often referred to as such and the sentencing guidelines are the same. It is not a “more serious” offence than common assault.
You will note that the custody threshold is not reached unless the assault is in “Category 1” (Greater Harm and Higher culpability) and even then custody is not the “starting point” when considering sentencing. Of course we don’t know the full details of the incident as described by the prosecution but from media reports I would suggest that the incident would most likely fit into category 2. Also bear in mind that the sentencing guidelines relate to a first time offender pleading not guilty but found guilty at trial. Mr Joyce pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity and he is entitled to receive considerable credit for that. Bearing in mind that Mr Joyce received a 12 month community order with a curfew requirement as well as a £3k fine, all in all I consider the sentence is about right,
As for comparing what Mr Joyce received with what you or I would have for a similar offence, I would suggest that the only difference is that, as well as the community order, Mr Joyce also received a hefty fine based on his means. It is unusual for a defendant to be fined as well as to be given a community order, so in this respect it could be argued that he was dealt with more harshly.
http://sentencingcoun...ine_-_Crown_Court.pdf
(although this is labelled a Crown Court document it is used by magistrates when sentencing for Common Assault).
First of all, there is no separate offence as “assault by beating”. Common assault is often referred to as such and the sentencing guidelines are the same. It is not a “more serious” offence than common assault.
You will note that the custody threshold is not reached unless the assault is in “Category 1” (Greater Harm and Higher culpability) and even then custody is not the “starting point” when considering sentencing. Of course we don’t know the full details of the incident as described by the prosecution but from media reports I would suggest that the incident would most likely fit into category 2. Also bear in mind that the sentencing guidelines relate to a first time offender pleading not guilty but found guilty at trial. Mr Joyce pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity and he is entitled to receive considerable credit for that. Bearing in mind that Mr Joyce received a 12 month community order with a curfew requirement as well as a £3k fine, all in all I consider the sentence is about right,
As for comparing what Mr Joyce received with what you or I would have for a similar offence, I would suggest that the only difference is that, as well as the community order, Mr Joyce also received a hefty fine based on his means. It is unusual for a defendant to be fined as well as to be given a community order, so in this respect it could be argued that he was dealt with more harshly.
The only place one is likely to see 'gotten' in standard English is in 'ill-gotten'; otherwise it IS largely now just an American usage. However, it is commonly used in Scottish English, which might be appropriate in the circumstances.
The main 'Scottish drink problem' is the fact that landlords still insist on saying, "Time gentlemen, please!"
The main 'Scottish drink problem' is the fact that landlords still insist on saying, "Time gentlemen, please!"
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