How long ?......

[bazwillrun]

do you think this piece of human detritus will get ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17352740

In an ideal world he would never be allowed to walk the streets of this country again but thats unlikely to happen.

But as the judges and magistrates have been setting examples with the sentencing of a lot of these people (much to the chagrin of the handwringers, no suprise there) he might be taken out circulation for an extremely long time.

[d9f1c7]

Savage should be jailed for life. He'll get 8 be out in 4.

[Gromit]

This is manslaughter and not Murder.
He entered a guilty plea.
He returned to the victim and moved him on to the pavement.
First offence.
No weapons involved.

People are victims GBH all the time, unfortunately this old man died. Not a long sentence. Two years at a guess.

[d9f1c7]

Charming bloke, sounds like a real Samaritan Gromit, just one thing, he did punch an old man in the face unprovoked didn't he? Why did he do that?

[bazwillrun]

He entered a guilty plea. - you think that was because he was feeling a twinge of concience or maybe it was the the advice of his lawyer so hed get a reduced sentence

He returned to the victim and moved him on to the pavement.- so what he still killed him

First offence. - if hes locked up for long enough then it might also be the last

No weapons involved - so fists arent weapons now, same result as if hed shot him

[sandyRoe]

It's all about intent. The DPP, in framing the charges, clearly didn't think he intended any serious harm to the old man he punched.

[jackthehat]

The issue here is 'intent'.

http://www.barristerm...ent-for-bad-luck.html

[pa___ul3]

a couple of years ago, a lad, completely unprovoked, punched a 61 year old fella I know in the side of the head from behind, knocked him clean out, broke his jaw, and walked away. He got community service and a fine!

[mike11111]

Have just read the link. The boy is 17, the mother is 31. Do the maths - says it all.

[bazwillrun]

If this garbage had thought about what possible outcomes may have arisen from his "intent" then perhaps he wouldnt of made an unprovoked attack on a person trying to put out a fire caused by other scum just like himself.

I just realised how stupid i am , what on earth had me thinking that a savage like this would think about his actions ?!

[bazwillrun]

Of course lets not forget that none of this is his fault......its all those around him

[jackthehat]

Of course it is his fault.

However, stupidly punching someone does *not* carry the same intent as willfully killing someone, I'm afraid.

[sunny-dave]

There is a twisted logic at work somewhere ...

... people seem to be saying "it was pure chance that you killed a man, so we will not punish you excessively for being unlucky"

... so should we actually be saying (in all the other assault cases) "it was only pure chance that you didn't kill someone, so we will increase your sentence accordingly"

If the increased punishment in the second alternative is 'unfair', then so is the decreased punishment in the first.

[Gromit]

Same as someone who knocks over and kills an old man while driving at 40mph in a 30mph zone. The savage.

[jackthehat]

It is possible to charge someone with 'attempted murder'. The intent was present but the act itself failed. This is the flip-side of that.

[flip_flop]

Come on Gromit - unless a driver purposely runs over a person, it is not the same at all.

[Zeuhl]

Perhaps he'll get a sentence in proportion to that meted out to the Copper who perpetrated an unprovoked assault on the old newpaper vendor who also later died as a result of his injuries.

[d9f1c7]

To the hand wringing left flip flop it is the same. They love to use the law to protect violent criminals. Then they try to turn the tables on the law abiding to illustrate how evil we all are compared to the nice rioter who really was a nice chap you just got it a bit wrong on the day. In fact it is society's fault that he was even rioting because we where not providing for his needs, bless, I'm welling up here Gromit!

[youngmafbog]

Couldnt put it better rmyself D9.

I mean this brave brute only smacked an old man in the head as hard as he could to prevent the man putting out flames. Thats not a problem is it? I mean this old git was putting out the flames and going against the riot he deserved all he got, so some on here appear to think.


As for first offence I find that highly unlikely, he also admitted robbery. This person is a piece of scum that should never see the light of day again.

[chaptazbru]

d9f1c7, youngmafbog and bazwillrun - agree with you 100% !!!!!

[Zeuhl]

<<This person is a piece of scum that should never see the light of day again. >>

Just so we know you don't apply double standards - what would be an appropriate sentence for the Copper who struck from behind the old newspaper vendor who later died from his injuries.