Lesson for Cameron from Sarkozy defeat

[Gromit]

France has rejected a Conservative Austerity Government. A weak economy and rising unemployment just like here has been ditched by the French people. A desperate lurch to court the far right failed miserably.

Many are urging Cameron down the same path. That can only lead to failure. The British Coalition Government has to listen and not resign a generation of young people to long unemployment. The Coalition must go for growth and not let us wallow in a double dip recession.

Can Cameron Survive? Will the Coalition run the full term? Will they learn the lessons from France?

[percypineapple]

I always think that you need to put money into peoples pockets so that they can spend it, then the big merry go round gets into action, we earn more, we spend more. the government just needs to stop the banks from charging outrageous interest on such things as credit cards, and even mortgage rates are far higher than need be, but the banks have the cartel, charge what they like, who is going to stop them? I think Mr. cameron needs to realise that there are more working class people than there are toffs like him,
and another two years of this will see him lose by a landslide.

[Gromit]

// ...mortgage rates are far higher than need be. //

Er... mortgage rates are the lowest for the longest time than they have ever been.

[jake-the-peg]

I think we'll have to wait and see. If things go badly for France under Holland it could actually strengthen Cameron's "There is no plan B Agenda"

Yes Britain and France are in different situations but that degree of subtlty won't make it through

[NOX]

To answer the questions in order,
Can Cameron surviv?- Theoretically maybe if he listens to the people but that's not going to happen so no probably not.
Will the Govt run it's full course- one would certianly hope not, but probably tbh.
Will they leartn a lesson from France- hell no, 'the Davy's not for turning' ;-)

[emmie]

things weren't going well with Sarkhozy, an unpopular President, so shouldn't one wait to see how Francois Hollande Presidency pans out.
As to Cameron he will hang on in there, it doesn't help he is hampered by the Lib Dems, and the losses of the last few days may shake them out of the lethargy they have fallen into. What is interesting is how the alliance between Germany and France will go, as i can't see there being so much entente cordiale between Angela Merkel and the new President, who has already been rather vocal on the austerity measures and being told what to do by the EU.

[percypineapple]

Mortgage rates may be the lower than they were some years ago, but they are still very high considering it is a secured loan. The point i am making is that the banks can do what they like, this government will not stand in their way.
the thing that really narks me about this government, is that when in trouble,they always blame " the deficit left by the previous government" or " the mess left by the previous covernment" Yes, i have heard that time and time again, i just want to know what they intend to do about it, stopping kids pocket money does not get people back into work. you can blame the labour party, but the banks were the guilty ones, the upstart kids got their porche cars by selling loans and mortgages to any one and every one, they didn't care if you could pay it back or not, they got their commission and moved onto the next loan. I really think the libs will fade into the mist of time, and the tories will need to get rid of dave if they want a chance at the next election.
Sarkozy was full of bull, but the people have the final say. The tories are far, far out of touch. do they think that the unemployed or those on paupers pay, and the sick and ill really give a sh#t about the economy, they just need money to live on and will vote for anyone offering it, and that will certainly not be the fat rich tory government.

[emmie]

don't people take responsibility for their own finances. If you take a loan, no matter where it's from surely you have to have enough money to repay it. If you lose your job that may prove to be difficult i understand that, but it seems the credit card ethos is alive and well, spend now pay later, or not.
So you can't just blame the banks, mortgage companies for peoples woes, they must take some share of the blame.

[argorstran]

Sarkozy was facing a strong opponent . I don't think Cameron will have that problem .

[DTCwordfan]

well if thats true, Greece defaults in two weeks, Spain and Portugal to follow - then France with their debt.

And Cameron's prudence will shine through.

Time to move to France, Gromit, and sign up with Monsieur Hollandaise sauce, but he will curdle within the month.

[jomifl]

The money has to come from somewhere, we could ask China to give it back but it isn't likely that they will.

[DTCwordfan]

And the bloodletting begins Monday if the Greek election results are what the exit polls are saying they are. £ to E1.28 by the end of the day?

[Gromit]

You are obviously an expert dtcrosswordfan...

// Nous allons voir, mon chèr Gromit - et, maintenant, votre pari svp - peut être pour une charité non-politique? //

[DTCwordfan]

le pari pour quel pari, Gromit, et quel montant?

[Gromit]

// want money on that, Gromit?

Sarkozy is now heading the 1st round polls.......and continuing to firm up his support - just like here TINA (there is no alternative) and the voters are realising that. //

LOL

[DTCwordfan]

et c'est bien evident que vous n'habitez en France a ce moment - les gens d'affaires, les commerçiaux, sur la rue sont vraiment préoccupés par l'effondrement imminent Euro - mon bel-frere et soeur etait là cette semaine, en Provence....

[jno]

If you take a loan, no matter where it's from surely you have to have enough money to repay it.

If you had the money, you wouldn't need the loan. But who has the money to buy a house? People take out mortgages in the expectation that their job will bring in enough money over the period of the mortgage to pay it off. But in a recession, poor people are sacked (bankers seldom are) and can't meet the repayments. Being sacked isn't a moral failing on their part.

[DTCwordfan]

enfin, le pays et l'Europe sont bien foutu

[DTCwordfan]

french slang for vraiment (truly fecked up)

[jno]

hang on to your cedillas, DT, you may need them some time. Commerciaux don't.

[DTCwordfan]

And on the bet that I proposed, you were un "poulet" not to accept....