LFC Shirt Angers Hillsborough Group

[Philtaz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...t/0/football/18033752

Honestly, there is no pleasing some people. We are all aware of the tragedy that befell 96 innocent people but do we and LFC constantly need to be reminded of it?
Is it me or do we and LFC (who have done more than enough in honouring the dead with their new design IMHO) need to be constantly reminded of the tragedy?
It appears to more of an open, weepiing sore that will never heal and some seem to want to continually bask in the grief of it with a never ending sackcloth and ashes routine.

Opinions?

[mrs_overall]

This is NOT one of my sayings, but on a recent similar post someone described Liverpool as "self pity city"

[stokemaveric]

can you ever forget the death of a loved one???

[Hopkirk]

I don't think any of us can really understand unless we had experienced what these families went through.

[Philtaz]

No stokemaveric you can't, but do LFC need to have it rammed down their throat constantly by the families?
Have you loooked at the shirt in the link? I think it honours the dead most respectfully. Bradford City don't have this problem, they play with black trim on their kit (since the disaster) as a constant reminder which seems rather dutiful and respectful
Why do the Hillsborough groups have to make such a perpetual issue of it?

[mrs_overall]

philtaz, I agree with you 100%

[Philtaz]

Thanks Mrs O.
Odd that Juventus don't feel they have to appease any fans or groups with their shirt/badge design and in all honesty they'd have more right to feel aggrieved as their fans died as a result of criminality, not negligence as at Hillsborough.
Tragic though both events were I don't see why some of the groups involved appear to enjoy wallowing in the self pity of it all.
Don't blame the club, it wasn't their fault and they have IMHO more than honoured those poor unfortunates who died at Hillsborough.

[flip_flop]

I imagine it must have been, and still is, terrible for the families of the victims..........however, it strikes me that some people seem to take a perverse delight in reminding everybody that they are still hurting and seem to enjoy being upset by any perceived slight no matter how minor it may be.

And the story in the link is very minor - they really should try to move on.

[joko]

I'm very vocal about hillsborough - it angers me how people from other cities seem to have huge issues with how liverpool chooses to remember the dead and the way they will not stop until justice is done - especially since its none of their business and doesnt affect them...so why interfere and mouth off...?

To me its something to be proud of that a whole city can come together, and that after 23 years, still cares so much.
We need more people who care about others in this world - not less.


However - on this issue, I do think this is ridiculous - the flames are still there, they are just on the back!
I am amazed the families were consulted at all! ... i dont think the design of the LFC shirt is anything to do with them.
Liverpool were never going to just forget hillborough so why ask the families what they think? they are of course going to want more than is perhaps right for a football team strip.
by asking them at all it has given them the feeling that they have more power to make decisions than they really should have, and make them feel justified in being upset that their wishes have not been 100% met.

if the flames were removed entirely and there was nothing at all, then ok, i could understand some people being upset - but they have just moved it!

first and foremost they are football team - the front of the shirt should be about the team etc only.

Hillbororugh was a tragedy and should not be forgotten but I dont think LFCs entire life should revolve around it... especially not on something so fundamental as their team colours

i think the new strip is nice...as stated it harks back to their glory days.

[stokemaveric]

liverpool football club have stated that the events of april 19 1989 will never be forgotten by the club...they have moved the symbolic flames on the shirt that is all..liverpool as a city and as a football club have every right to remember the victims of that day in whatever fashion they want to...when there is a rememberance service in london to remember the victims of 7/7 there is no opinions voiced as to whether londoners should and i quote ''try and move on'' people should not condemn the families of the 96 who died or lfc or the city for grieving...10clarion st isnt that what rememberence services are for???...to ask others to remember their tragic loss...whether it be at a football match or on the london underground??? its called respect i guess...

[Philtaz]

Erm, but haven't LFC already done more than enough in highlighting the tragedy on their new shirt?
If anything, the new design brings it even more to the fore. I had no idea the two flames on the previous badge were a refernce to the disaster, the so called 'flames of justice'.
But I know instantly that seeing a number 96 on an LFC shirt would be a reference to those who died on that fateful day.

It just seems that some have to bask in grief and let everyone know about it, whereas neither Bradford City nor Juventus have trouble involving shirt design with families of supporters from disasters that befell those two clubs. Similarly, Rangers don't constantly remind the world about the Ibrox Disaster (2) so why do the Hillsborough families feel the need to pillory LFC about it?

[mrs_overall]

I'm still on your side on all your points philtaz

[joko]

its same reason you feel the need to spout off here and get all irate and huffy about this issue

its doesnt affect you one bit, and it isnt any of your business... but you still want to voice your opinion and have a good old moan

people have emotions and like to express them.

[Philtaz]

Irate? Huffy? You're obviously mistaken, I'm just discussing the issue.
People do indeed have emotions and like to express them. LFC have made it abundantly clear that the disaster will never be forgotten by the club and have honoured the dead in their shirt.
Shouldn't that be enough? Obviously not for some.

Or does the sarcastic comment I read on an infamous website this week really ring true?

It went something like this:

"Liverpool kit launch sparks anger among Hillsborough families". Apparently the demand for a built in black armband was ignored....

[joko]

it is quite clear from your tone and your comments that this has irked you

"no pleasing some people"
seem to want to continually bask in the grief of it with a never ending sackcloth and ashes routine."
"have it rammed down their throat constantly by the families? "
"appear to enjoy wallowing in the self pity of it all. "
"some have to bask in grief and let everyone know about it..."

these are not comments made by someone 'merely discussing' the issue ... they are your opinion, with an angry tone, reiterated numerous times... because it bothers you.

my point was, the reason people complain about the kit is the same reason you are complaining about this issue

it bothers them.

[Philtaz]

But the disaster is commemorated on the shirt, so what's their beef?
Maybe they believe LFC should be denied autonomy when deciding the design of their own shirts?

[Mamyalynne]

The 'Flames' are still on the shirts as a mark of commemoration and respect, surely that must be seen as a good thing, rather than a cause for anger by any group?

My Nephew and his stepfather were there, thankfully they escaped - all should see this as a fitting tribute IMHO.

[joko]

i dont know philtaz and i totally agree with you on that point -
i think this current issue is only serving to pour negativity onto the hillsborough families cause ... as is evident from your reaction and no doubt from the reactions of many others who will agree with you

i fully support their right to grieve however they choose, but this story just makes them look petty and over demanding and does not help their cause one bit.

they should be happy with the shirt - many other clubs make no such commemorations

[zebo]

I'm not familiar with the issues regarding the shirts but as others have said other clubs who have experienced disasters have done little to commemorate their lost fans. The lasting effects of those who lost someone or survived can never be over-estimated, the elderly gentleman who runs our pub quiz says that the last football match he attended was Bolton v Stoke in 1946 when over thirty people were killed. The crowd had been 85,000, 20,000 over capacity, and it led to limits being placed on grounds.

[Arksided]

Clarion, Someone mentioned Bradford City, but neither do Manchester United have reference to Munich on their shirts.

I always thought the black band either around the neck or on the sleeve represented those lost In Munich, Like Bradfords.