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Have these two prominent persons got it about right?
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At last there are people who are prepared to speak out openly about these child sex grooming cases, and thank goodness they can't be accused of being racist or having a particular agenda to air.
One is Trevor Phillips chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, and the other Nazir Afzal, the Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England, himself a Muslim.
Mr Phillips said,
/// "it would be wrong if action had not been taken to protect children in care for fear of inflaming racial tensions". ///
Mr Afal said,
/// part of the problem was that some immigrants bring ‘cultural baggage’ with them from misogynistic societies.///
/// ‘What some communities believe is there is a right of self-determination for men but not women. Women are seen as lesser beings.’ ///
At last there are people who are prepared to speak out openly about these child sex grooming cases, and thank goodness they can't be accused of being racist or having a particular agenda to air.
One is Trevor Phillips chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, and the other Nazir Afzal, the Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England, himself a Muslim.
Mr Phillips said,
/// "it would be wrong if action had not been taken to protect children in care for fear of inflaming racial tensions". ///
Mr Afal said,
/// part of the problem was that some immigrants bring ‘cultural baggage’ with them from misogynistic societies.///
/// ‘What some communities believe is there is a right of self-determination for men but not women. Women are seen as lesser beings.’ ///
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// I had posted this 'true' report //
It is not true it is just an opinion - one which is contrary to the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service.
It is only Phillips' opinion. Just because it is also your opinion does not make it true. Men are guilty of grooming young girls all over the country. This happened to occur in a community with a lot of Asian men in it.
It is not true it is just an opinion - one which is contrary to the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service.
It is only Phillips' opinion. Just because it is also your opinion does not make it true. Men are guilty of grooming young girls all over the country. This happened to occur in a community with a lot of Asian men in it.
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/// It is not true it is just an opinion - one which is contrary to the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service. ///
Excuse me but the daily Mail report is true, Trevor Phillips did appear on BBC’s The Andrew Marr Show, and he did make those comments.
It is also true that Nazir Afzal was also Speaking on Radio 4’s Broadcasting House, and he also made those comments attributed to him.
Whether or not you yourself are prepared to agree with them, just because they have said things that are in opposition to yours and others own agenda, is entirely up to you.
/// It is not true it is just an opinion - one which is contrary to the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service. ///
Excuse me but the daily Mail report is true, Trevor Phillips did appear on BBC’s The Andrew Marr Show, and he did make those comments.
It is also true that Nazir Afzal was also Speaking on Radio 4’s Broadcasting House, and he also made those comments attributed to him.
Whether or not you yourself are prepared to agree with them, just because they have said things that are in opposition to yours and others own agenda, is entirely up to you.
Just because a crime occurs between people of different race does not mean the crime is racially motivated.
You have no evidence that harm was done to these girls because they were white. No evidence was brought by the prosecution and non has been revealed by witness statements.
If an Asian man thumps a white man then that is assault. It is not a race crime. There has to be evidence that the white man was specifically targeted for his colour and that could be verbal or written evidence, for it to be a race crime.
The same with these girls. They have been assaulted but no evidence has emerged that they were targeted because of their colour. These men wanted sex, so if black, Chinese or Icelandic women were available, they would have assaulted them also.
You have no evidence that harm was done to these girls because they were white. No evidence was brought by the prosecution and non has been revealed by witness statements.
If an Asian man thumps a white man then that is assault. It is not a race crime. There has to be evidence that the white man was specifically targeted for his colour and that could be verbal or written evidence, for it to be a race crime.
The same with these girls. They have been assaulted but no evidence has emerged that they were targeted because of their colour. These men wanted sex, so if black, Chinese or Icelandic women were available, they would have assaulted them also.
"This happened to occur in a community with a lot of Asian men in it."
So presumably the community also had a lot of Asian girls in it too, and yet it was only white girls who were targeted.
If the motive really was just about sex, how is it possible that in a racially diverse area where the targeting occurred, all the girls happened to be white?
The view that this was just about sex and is not about about colour doesn't really hold any water.
So presumably the community also had a lot of Asian girls in it too, and yet it was only white girls who were targeted.
If the motive really was just about sex, how is it possible that in a racially diverse area where the targeting occurred, all the girls happened to be white?
The view that this was just about sex and is not about about colour doesn't really hold any water.
No race related charges were brought . That's because it's a case of rape and other serious sexual offences. Assuming any were disclosed, what racial offence or racially aggravated offence could be charged and indicted? If any were disclosed and indictable, they would not have been on the indctment, unless the CPS and counsel thought they were a realistic and sensible choice as alternative verdicts. That's the rule in every case. If they weren't indictable, they wouldn't be bothered with except to the extent that evidence of them might be used as part of the evidence supporting the indictment.
Not confined to Northern England either.
Reading their 'excuse' (they were celebrating the Muslim festival of Eid) is beyond belief for this despicable crime.
I would never label it racist as the word race is relative to human beings. Here they were simply savages.
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Reading their 'excuse' (they were celebrating the Muslim festival of Eid) is beyond belief for this despicable crime.
I would never label it racist as the word race is relative to human beings. Here they were simply savages.
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