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for a superstate ?!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18592135
As they've always stated the two things that are needed for a fait a complis are fiscal and and political agreement/union
This is a major move to try and achieve the first
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18592135
As they've always stated the two things that are needed for a fait a complis are fiscal and and political agreement/union
This is a major move to try and achieve the first
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Firstly Brenden departing the Euro and departing the EU are very different things!
This is about the Eurozone *NOT* the EU
Secondly despite this image that people seem to have of the Germans they have no desire to "be in control".
In fact it's quite the opposite.
This is all (still) about Euro-Bonds - which to a large extent means Germany guaranteeing the debts of the EU.
Strangely enough Germany doesn't want to do this!
Barroso has been a fan of the plan for quite a while and so is the new French president.
Meanwhile Merkle twists and turns doing everything in her power to avoid it and saying Nein at every opportunity.
If they do finally convince the Germans there would be a big price to pay in terms of finance control and the Euro-Zone *NOT* the EU as a whole would become quite tightly bound.
Personally though I've yet to see even the slightest hint that Germany is about to pick this up
This is about the Eurozone *NOT* the EU
Secondly despite this image that people seem to have of the Germans they have no desire to "be in control".
In fact it's quite the opposite.
This is all (still) about Euro-Bonds - which to a large extent means Germany guaranteeing the debts of the EU.
Strangely enough Germany doesn't want to do this!
Barroso has been a fan of the plan for quite a while and so is the new French president.
Meanwhile Merkle twists and turns doing everything in her power to avoid it and saying Nein at every opportunity.
If they do finally convince the Germans there would be a big price to pay in terms of finance control and the Euro-Zone *NOT* the EU as a whole would become quite tightly bound.
Personally though I've yet to see even the slightest hint that Germany is about to pick this up
Jake, what choice do they have?
None, so eventually i will be ja. And then the Germans will want their pound of flesh and will definitely demand control, probably in the form of a Euro Deutschmark. Lets face it the Germans are the ones dictating the austerity measures, small in the grand scheme of things yes, but fro little acorns....
And once they have control of the Euro, do you really think it will stop there?
Like it or not the Euro and the EU are intrinsically linked
None, so eventually i will be ja. And then the Germans will want their pound of flesh and will definitely demand control, probably in the form of a Euro Deutschmark. Lets face it the Germans are the ones dictating the austerity measures, small in the grand scheme of things yes, but fro little acorns....
And once they have control of the Euro, do you really think it will stop there?
Like it or not the Euro and the EU are intrinsically linked
Show me the faintest inkling of evidence that Germany wants this
You suggest some master plan of domination and then say "what choice to they have"
Germany has gone through this before only 20 years ago when they took on the East and it cost them a small fortune.
You think any German Government is going to persuade their people to do exactly the same again for the Southern European states?
And then try and somehow annexe the non-Euro countries financially against their will?
You must be living in Daily-Express-Pychotic-fantasy world!
You suggest some master plan of domination and then say "what choice to they have"
Germany has gone through this before only 20 years ago when they took on the East and it cost them a small fortune.
You think any German Government is going to persuade their people to do exactly the same again for the Southern European states?
And then try and somehow annexe the non-Euro countries financially against their will?
You must be living in Daily-Express-Pychotic-fantasy world!
There is a world of difference, jake, between what the electorates of the various EU and Eurozone states want and what their political masters force upon them.
However else you look at it, Greece (and to a lesser but increasing degree Spain, Portugal and Ireland, soon to be joined by Cyprus) are economic colonies of Germany. The euro was made for and still exists for the benefit of Germany. Were it not for them it would never have been considered and even forgiving its introduction under false pretences, but for Germany it sould have been dead and buried by now. The stupid politicians in the subservient states who took their nations into the single currency saw no further than the end of their noses. Their arrogance and vanity which led them to believe they could introduce a single currency without a single government (against the advice of wiser counsel) was the policy of the madhouse. In fact, it is without doubt the most disastrous political decision, certainly in terms of damage done and the number of people affected, since WW2.
The German government will go to great lengths to preserve the euro. Its conditions are set ideally for them and nobody else. Their hope is that the sticking plasters will hold long enough for the good times of the first seven or eight years to return, the lesser states start borrowing more cash that they cannot afford to repay which they will spend on German goods. However, the choice for the eurozone is absolutely clear: they either fully integrate into a single fiscal union which will involve the movement of vast sums of cash from Germany to elsewhere (which the Germans will not countenance); or Greece and others default on their debts, leave the euro and rebuild their economies in their own sovereign currencies. There is no other alternative. Anything else is just fannying about and the end game cannot be put off much longer. The longer the decision is delayed the worse the situation will become and the more the economies of the UK, the eurozone, Europe and the rest of the world will suffer.
However else you look at it, Greece (and to a lesser but increasing degree Spain, Portugal and Ireland, soon to be joined by Cyprus) are economic colonies of Germany. The euro was made for and still exists for the benefit of Germany. Were it not for them it would never have been considered and even forgiving its introduction under false pretences, but for Germany it sould have been dead and buried by now. The stupid politicians in the subservient states who took their nations into the single currency saw no further than the end of their noses. Their arrogance and vanity which led them to believe they could introduce a single currency without a single government (against the advice of wiser counsel) was the policy of the madhouse. In fact, it is without doubt the most disastrous political decision, certainly in terms of damage done and the number of people affected, since WW2.
The German government will go to great lengths to preserve the euro. Its conditions are set ideally for them and nobody else. Their hope is that the sticking plasters will hold long enough for the good times of the first seven or eight years to return, the lesser states start borrowing more cash that they cannot afford to repay which they will spend on German goods. However, the choice for the eurozone is absolutely clear: they either fully integrate into a single fiscal union which will involve the movement of vast sums of cash from Germany to elsewhere (which the Germans will not countenance); or Greece and others default on their debts, leave the euro and rebuild their economies in their own sovereign currencies. There is no other alternative. Anything else is just fannying about and the end game cannot be put off much longer. The longer the decision is delayed the worse the situation will become and the more the economies of the UK, the eurozone, Europe and the rest of the world will suffer.
"Have they? Who are they"
numerous people politicians , economic experts etc etc on various news programs have openly said this, if you really want names i suggest you start looking.
once they have fiscal union, then its a case of well we might as well have political union now, and on it goes.
Every time they "Harmonize" something we get a liitle bit closer to total EU domination.
numerous people politicians , economic experts etc etc on various news programs have openly said this, if you really want names i suggest you start looking.
once they have fiscal union, then its a case of well we might as well have political union now, and on it goes.
Every time they "Harmonize" something we get a liitle bit closer to total EU domination.
And if Germany attains power in Europe, do you really think that they won't go to all lengths to protect 'their' Europe?
Remember them sending most of their Turkish labour force back, when they had done the job?
No Germany does not accept immigrants easily, so what would they be like if they also ruled Europe?
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Remember them sending most of their Turkish labour force back, when they had done the job?
No Germany does not accept immigrants easily, so what would they be like if they also ruled Europe?
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