He let ex-Taliban soldier stay, and now he lets a rapist of a 12 year old girl stay.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....-girl-12-stay-UK.html

How can we ever crack down on the way foreign criminals use human rights to avoid being deported, with Judges such as this one?

[tonyav]

I can't work out what planet some of these idiot judges are from.

[jno]

tell the judges to ignore the law and just do what the Daily Mail tells them to?

[jake-the-peg]

You don't seem to understand what a Judge's job is.

It's not to do what he thinks is right

It's to apply the law

Do you think he did not apply the law correctly? - If so then there should be an appeal.

If you think he did then you need to complain about "call me Dave" Cameron

[NOX]

Judges uphold the law ( and you should be very pleased they do) - if you don't like the law then lobby your MP with your complaints and suggested amendments.

[sandyRoe]

The Mail seems to have missed the real story here. A three year sentence for raping a 12 year old child seems very lenient particularly when there were two assailants involved.

[FredPuli43]

The sentence was very lenient. He has not got the mitigation which, say, a boy of 14 might have, whatever form the penetration took. He's a 28 year-old.

Don't understand why he was granted asylum in the first place. Would he be in danger wherever in the Sudan he went? Why? There must be thousands of people who can claim that they are in danger if returned to various countries or parts of countries. Any homosexual could say it of any devout and strict Muslim country or one with a number of such residents. So could any woman who claims she is suspected of adultery, with reference to some places.

Once the man has been granted the status on those grounds, the judge ruling in this case has his hands tied by the law. It's not his fault that the law is the way it is.

[FredPuli43]

Just checked the sentencing council guidelines. The range suggested, whatever form the penetration takes, is 3 to 7 years with a starting point of 4 years. So he got the absolute minimum for the offence under the guidelines for an adult offender and should have been expecting at least 4 years.

[Gromit]

That is shocking that a Judge can do that.

You would think they would have some laws which he must adhere to when making judgements. And you would think they would issue guidelines backed up by similar cases so the law is consistent.

What is the point of having knee-jerk newspapers if Judges are going to follow the law.

[sandyRoe]

The young girl involved in this, and her parents, wouldn't think the sentence fair. Is there no means of appealing against the leniency of the sentence?

[modeller]

He and the likes of him may be applying the law but why do they then impose the minimum sentence. ?

[anotheoldgit]

Ah I didn't notice that these two disgusting 'waste of space' cretins were foreigners, perhaps that is the reason the usual crew are blaming the Daily Mail for daring to report on the cases, and also seem to think that the judge was acting properly.

Had they have been British nationals they would have most likely been calling for their heads on a pole.

Amazing absolutely amazing.

[sp1814]

AOG

You're on horrifically thin ice with that last statement. You raised a number of posts regarding the Muslim child grooming case last month, but have remained silent on an extremely similar story which involved a mainly white British group, as detailed a few posts below.

Fair enough - we all have our pet subjects, but why ignore cases where the guilty are British.

Also, who criticised the DM for running the story???

I've scanned the posts and can't see it.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

When have I ever been scared of 'thin ice'?

And please do not falsely accuse me of keeping silent over certain cases because the perpetrators are white and British, my record is there for all to see, if I deem that a case has debating qualities I will enter a thread on it, be them black white or anything in between.

The thread that you are referring to was not only committed by whites there were some Muslims involved also, and were they not all British, just the same as the perpetrators in the more extensive number of child grooming cases throughout the Midlands and the North?

The thread you refereed to only attracted 8 posts, simply because this case was all part of the police's investigations into child grooming gangs, and the subject had previously been well discussed on AB.

I think the two following sarcastic statements, points out the Daily Mail comment I made, why else would the newspaper need to be brought into the debate.

/// tell the judges to ignore the law and just do what the Daily Mail tells them to? ///

/// What is the point of having knee-jerk newspapers if Judges are going to follow the law. ///

Incidentally it is also reported in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph....mmigration-court.html

[sp1814]

Okay - I concede you'd point on the post I refer to. Have actually re-read the story and I think the recent discussions about the groomers may have temporarily exhausted our child sex outrage repository.

However, I disagree that it's more than fair to criticise the Mail for the way they have spun the story. There are so many times that you read a headline in the DM and imagine all the invisible, yet implied exclamation marks.

But I don't want to make this about the messenger - it should be about the message.

Personally, I see it like this...if I emigrated to another country, I would be absolutely paranoid about keeping my nose clean, paying all my taxes and not doing anything which could possibly get me into trouble.

Raping a 12 year old would be fairly high on my 'Don't Do That' list.

Putting my Guardian-reading liberal woolly hat aside for a moment, I genuinely believe that anyone granted leave to remain, or who is an asylum seeker who commits a serious crime, should be sent back to their country of origin once they have competed their sentence.

The Human Rights Act should not apply, because by committing a serious offence, they have effectively ripped up their 'contract' with the UK.

If you fear for your safety by being returned to your country of origin, then there's a simple way to avoid being sent back...don't commit any serious crimes,

I've been alive for 46 years and am yet to commit any serious crimes (except fashion crimes, but that was mostly in the early 80s).

[emmie]

still can't understand why he can't be deported when the sentence is up.

[Gromit]

We do not seem to think the Judge was acting properly, we know he was acting properly. If he did not do so, he would be removed.

[emmie]

so judges can't get it wrong then?

[TTG]

If the father of the victim had got hold of her attacker and given him what he deserves, a lot more than a 4 year sentence would have been dealt out.

To the father that is.

[pdq1]

I still can't understand why illegal immigrants are treated more fairly than a British citizen committing identical crimes. It seems judges put more emphasis on property crimes than they do against the person.

[EDDIE51]

Will you never learn AOG . The judge was not able to deport him because of the human rights law , the judges do not make up the law and sometimes personally disagree with it but they have to abide by it like it or not. You comment about ''judges such as this one'' is way out of order and shows you do not know what the Judges role is.
We would be in a terrible state if the law was made up by judges just to suit public opinion. Prehaps you would have been happy if the judge hid a gun under his robes and just shot the defendant after passing sentence ?