Are you getting overcrowded?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph....ges-in-your-area.html

http://www.telegraph....lion-in-a-decade.html

[jno]

ah, the ethnic minority population? Outnumbered by thsose sneaky Muslims and Caribbeans and so on. Doubtless there are figures somewhere that reflect this...

em, the youth of today will indeed not pay my pension. That's why I need immigration: to keep the pension system going. If it doesn't, then in 50 years people will rely on pensions either from the state, which can't pay them because there's no money, or from the private sector, which has given all its money to bankers.

[Johnysid]

So jno, you have the same motivation as an eighteenth century plantation owner when it comes to the free movement of labour.

[venator]

Classic Gromit!
"I don't remember much Rioting and social unrest when Labour were in charge. There was a spate of it in the 1980s when Police numbers were drastically cut. Oh, and last year when the same mistake was made."

Everything is down to the Tories, innit?

His beloved Labour Party is responsible for the flood of immigrants.

He has to find another reason for the figures - Yeah!! it's them pensioners, innit?

You need a flexible memory to be a Socialist!

[FredPuli43]

What's a post-Marxist, and how do I become one? Didn't know that Marx was in favour of immigration, even though he lived in London for a while and was buried there. How does immigration relate to any of his theories and beliefs? Why would his post-Marxist followers be in favour of it?
You're not an American, by any chance, are you, johnnysid? Republicans call anything they don't like 'socialist' or 'Marxist' .
In the shortish term, immigration is good because the immigrants are mostly young and produce a generation of children, and thus pay for the pensions of the rest of us in due course.

[jno]

now, Johnysid, about those statistics proving that the English are a minority ethnic population... where are they?

Postmarxist ones accepted, of course, but I would prefer poststructuralist ones.

[Johnysid]

Post-marxists are what Marxists turned into after 1989. New Labour are largely postmarxist. They are the sort of people who would make out that they know nothing about post-marxism.

jno and Gromit are almost certainly post-marxists or post-marxist inspired. You can tell from the way they gang up like old-style Marxists. Marxists, Nazis and post-marxists are very similar being composed of people who like being "in" and in the gang.

[jno]

and a link to your statistics...?

[Johnysid]

Fredpuli.., in the short term Ponzi Schemes are a good idea too.

[Johnysid]

jno, the people who live in Lambeth and Peckham are obviously ethnic minorities. They are losing jobs wholesale - see http://www.minoritype...-says-tuc-conference/ Most of these jobs are lost to newcomers, often white from the EU.

[ludwig]

We need immigrants to pay our pensions. I'm not sure who'll be paying their pensions. More immigrants I suppose.
When there's no-one left abroad we could be in trouble, but that's a long time off yet.

[jno]

from this morning's paper:

"There is an economic cost to the country of limiting immigration. Last week, the Office for Budget Responsibility's central assumption was that net inward migration will fall to about 140,000 a year – it is presently about 250,000 – and will remain there over the next five decades. That would require spending cuts and tax rises of £17bn to bring down the national debt to 40% of GDP by 2062. If the current rate of immigration is allowed to continue that falls to £4.6bn."

So - more people, or more tax? This probably needs to be decided by those who will be around in 2062, which doesn't include me. What would people prefer?

[jno]

sorry, Johnysid, I misread your first post; please disregard mine.

[ludwig]

// more people, or more tax //

More people obviously. No-one wants to pay more tax, and there's a virtually endless supply of people abroad. As you say, we don't have to worry about the consequences as we'll be long gone by then, and our pensions need paying in the short term.

[jno]

my thoughts exactly, but it may be that younger people are of a more far-sighted and philanthropic bent.

However, there is a risk that other countries will take a leaf out of China's book (and indeed Europe's) and stop reproducing. This would mean Britain has to divert its GDP to bribing immigrants to come here, in competition with other underfunded countries. I am confident that George Osborne and his successors will be able to square this circle.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// That's why I need immigration: to keep the pension system going. ///

Really believe that do you? Most of those immigrants who work send their money back home, where it helps their relatives and also sets up a comfortable lifestyle for them to return to their home country in their old age.

http://www.dailymail....d-home-relatives.html

Mass imigration does not help the British economy one iota.

[jno]

are you sure you read right to the end, aog?

People from overseas poured a record £14.2billion into the UK economy in 2007.

A lot more than they sent out. I have nothing against migrants sending money home to their families. You will note that British emigrants do the same thing, though they seem to be rather more miserly.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// Border and Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said: 'People from overseas poured a record £14.2billion into the UK economy in 2007. ///

Ministers will say anything if it supports their particular agenda.

But Analysis by the Office for National Statistics found that the economy is losing £4.9million every day, because of the huge sums immigrants send home to their relatives.

[ludwig]

// losing £4.9million every day //

What? - they're sending home about £1 a day each? Miserable sods.

[Zeuhl]

<<the economy is losing £4.9million every day, because of the huge sums immigrants send home to their relatives.>>

Do your maths Old Git.

'If' Immigrants are sending home £4.9 million a day that's only £1.79 billion.

'If' 2007's national income from 'people from overseas' was typical at £14.2 billion the UK is still £12.41 billion ahead of the game.

[youngmafbog]

Depends on how the figures are given though Zehul. For instance does it take into account the huge sums paid to the indigineous workshy population that could have those jobs if the immigrants were not here (Even if we had to force them).