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Do you support proposals for ISPs to be forced to block porn sites?
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Who decides what constitutes porn?
Followers of the Mary Whitehouse mentality,
some judge who's out of touch and probably a bit kinked from his public schooldays?
The press barons (heaven furfend!)
Some Government committee of the jobs for the boys brigade?
The Government itself?
No thanks - leave it to the parents, please!
Followers of the Mary Whitehouse mentality,
some judge who's out of touch and probably a bit kinked from his public schooldays?
The press barons (heaven furfend!)
Some Government committee of the jobs for the boys brigade?
The Government itself?
No thanks - leave it to the parents, please!
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No I don't - and the excellent arguments against such measures have been placed already on this thread.
Of course I do not sanction inlimited internet access for minors (there always seems to be a 'one or the other' aspect in these arguments) but some sensible parentcal control should be encouraged, rather than draconian censorship.
If i were to censor anything - and again I am firmly in favour of parental controls - it would be the violent video games advertised regularly on TV and purchased in massive numbers. Such de-sensitizing of violence represents far more of any issue in my mind - as do 'driving' games which lead kids to think that driving fast has no consequences other than flashing 'game over' signs.
Protecting children from aspects of the adult world for which they are not ready should come down to parental control. Of course, large numbers of parents ignore or absent themselves from such responsibilities, but education, not censorship is the way forward.
Of course I do not sanction inlimited internet access for minors (there always seems to be a 'one or the other' aspect in these arguments) but some sensible parentcal control should be encouraged, rather than draconian censorship.
If i were to censor anything - and again I am firmly in favour of parental controls - it would be the violent video games advertised regularly on TV and purchased in massive numbers. Such de-sensitizing of violence represents far more of any issue in my mind - as do 'driving' games which lead kids to think that driving fast has no consequences other than flashing 'game over' signs.
Protecting children from aspects of the adult world for which they are not ready should come down to parental control. Of course, large numbers of parents ignore or absent themselves from such responsibilities, but education, not censorship is the way forward.
andy-hughes
Video games are censored...or at least, they are categorised. A minor should not be able to purchase a 17 rated game, in the same way that he or she should not be able to purchase 'Saw V' or 'Shaving Ryan's Privates'.
However, teenagers are adept at getting around those controls, just as I was able to watch 'The Exorcist' at the age of 13 on a pirated VHS.
Video games are censored...or at least, they are categorised. A minor should not be able to purchase a 17 rated game, in the same way that he or she should not be able to purchase 'Saw V' or 'Shaving Ryan's Privates'.
However, teenagers are adept at getting around those controls, just as I was able to watch 'The Exorcist' at the age of 13 on a pirated VHS.
sp1814 n- thanks for that info sp1814 - the video games sitatuon has totallly passed me by, neither i or any of my children had the slightest interest.
But your point is a good one - people will find ways arond any blocks put on their chosen entertainment, and since the non-hysterical people who know about these things acknowledge that just about every internet innovation in the last twenty years has been created and / or driven by the adult film industry, they will easily find their way around any attempts to curtail their revenue streams.
But your point is a good one - people will find ways arond any blocks put on their chosen entertainment, and since the non-hysterical people who know about these things acknowledge that just about every internet innovation in the last twenty years has been created and / or driven by the adult film industry, they will easily find their way around any attempts to curtail their revenue streams.
"it would be the violent video games advertised regularly on TV and purchased in massive numbers. Such de-sensitizing of violence represents far more of any issue in my mind - as do 'driving' games which lead kids to think that driving fast has no consequences other than flashing 'game over' signs"
I agree about parental control, but could you please provide some evidence that video games actually have this effect on young people? For my part, I've never seen anything that's convinced me they create violent impulses or damage which aren't already there, and I'm hugely sceptical about the fast cars argument: the act of handling a car via controller versus handling a car from an actual driver's seat (speaking as someone who's done both) are such radically different sensory experiences, I'm hugely sceptical of the idea that people who grow up on video games are somehow incapable of distinguishing between the two.
I agree about parental control, but could you please provide some evidence that video games actually have this effect on young people? For my part, I've never seen anything that's convinced me they create violent impulses or damage which aren't already there, and I'm hugely sceptical about the fast cars argument: the act of handling a car via controller versus handling a car from an actual driver's seat (speaking as someone who's done both) are such radically different sensory experiences, I'm hugely sceptical of the idea that people who grow up on video games are somehow incapable of distinguishing between the two.
"the non-hysterical people who know about these things acknowledge that just about every internet innovation in the last twenty years has been created and / or driven by the adult film industry, they will easily find their way around any attempts to curtail their revenue streams. "
Again, this is an extraordinary claim and I find it very hard to believe. Would you care to substantiate it?
Again, this is an extraordinary claim and I find it very hard to believe. Would you care to substantiate it?
I do, seeing as how easy it is to access and to find these images as i did entirely by mistake, which may sound funny but wasn't. Looking for something i clicked on a link and these awful pictures of a girl who looked around 12 popped up, it didn't say explicit material. so if it can happen to me, it can happen to children. You should be able to block all porn sites, and if you want to view have a code to do so.
"Kromovaracun
I think it's also worth pre-empting the 'won't somebody please think of the children' argument, too.
There's been an awful lot of sensationalism and nonsense spread about the impact on young people potentially (just potentially) being able to access porn.
As someone who has *actually grown up* with the internet - not merely seen it emerge and then speculate about how children interface with it - but someone who as actually lived among the first generation of children with internet access, I find these arguments utterly unconvincing and wholly one-sided. Were children in my school - a very small, remote rural school I might add - accessing pornography? Yes, they were. Just as they were masturbating, swearing, talking about sex etc. I have never seen a shred of evidence that this is a process which damages a person's psychology which is not already damaged. It's just as fatuous and unsupported as the arguments people used to make about roleplaying games in the '80s, or video games in the '90s/2000s - I'm highly, highly sceptical that it has anything like the level of impact on children that people seem to think it does.
I consider my internet-access from an early age one of the most precious things of my life. I've had access to information I never would have otherwise (see for instance the huge numbers of highly accessible science education videos on Youtube, from users like Thunderf00t). Porn is only as big a part of the internet as sex is in the lives of human beings generally - a big one, yes. But it's not the defining and overriding feature by any stretch of the imagination."
I agree with this. I too grew up with the net..I remember when there was none outside of the government and university campuses.
Responsible parents don't let their kids drive cars, drink alcohol and so on. Its not enough for parents to say "oh the kids know the computer better than I do." If you aren't prepared to control it then don't have it in the house. Personally I have no use whatever for porn but that's my choice. I think that anything that involves a non consenting partner, human or animal should be illegal in all its forms including images and websites, but that isn't the same as banning someone else's definition of porn. I do think that all ISP's should offer a net nanny/ blocking type service at no extra cost.
I think it's also worth pre-empting the 'won't somebody please think of the children' argument, too.
There's been an awful lot of sensationalism and nonsense spread about the impact on young people potentially (just potentially) being able to access porn.
As someone who has *actually grown up* with the internet - not merely seen it emerge and then speculate about how children interface with it - but someone who as actually lived among the first generation of children with internet access, I find these arguments utterly unconvincing and wholly one-sided. Were children in my school - a very small, remote rural school I might add - accessing pornography? Yes, they were. Just as they were masturbating, swearing, talking about sex etc. I have never seen a shred of evidence that this is a process which damages a person's psychology which is not already damaged. It's just as fatuous and unsupported as the arguments people used to make about roleplaying games in the '80s, or video games in the '90s/2000s - I'm highly, highly sceptical that it has anything like the level of impact on children that people seem to think it does.
I consider my internet-access from an early age one of the most precious things of my life. I've had access to information I never would have otherwise (see for instance the huge numbers of highly accessible science education videos on Youtube, from users like Thunderf00t). Porn is only as big a part of the internet as sex is in the lives of human beings generally - a big one, yes. But it's not the defining and overriding feature by any stretch of the imagination."
I agree with this. I too grew up with the net..I remember when there was none outside of the government and university campuses.
Responsible parents don't let their kids drive cars, drink alcohol and so on. Its not enough for parents to say "oh the kids know the computer better than I do." If you aren't prepared to control it then don't have it in the house. Personally I have no use whatever for porn but that's my choice. I think that anything that involves a non consenting partner, human or animal should be illegal in all its forms including images and websites, but that isn't the same as banning someone else's definition of porn. I do think that all ISP's should offer a net nanny/ blocking type service at no extra cost.
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