One more taking us to the cleaners.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....000-working-jobs.html

How on earth do these people manage to swindle our country and it's taxpayers over and over again?

If any ABer was dishonest enough to try and do the same, would they even know how to go about it?

Yet we have these foreigners (and I use this word because they are not black, white, Asian, British, or European citizens) before anyone starts with the racist business, who come here illegally set up their scams and then sit back and reap in thousands, to enable them to live a comfortable lifestyle, with some left over to send home.

[sp1814]

Found this:

http://www.rightstobe...mum_entitlement_2.htm

But to be frank, it's looks like WAY too much work. I'd rather just get a job. Easier than filling out reams of forms.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Yes interesting what one comes across when trawling the internet, I came across this interesting site, well I say interesting to those who are against mass immigration and multiculturalism.

http://warband.wordpress.com/

[sp1814]

Ahhh - now the scales have fallen from my eyes.

I'm guessing that site confirms what you already believe about immigration, in the same way that sites I tend to check (blogs mostly) confirm what I feel about certain subjects (bible-spouting hypocrites, racist thugs and the way that certain newspapers spin stories). Nurjahan’s story in the first link is particularly nasty:

http://pressnotsorry.wordpress.com/#!/cover
http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/
http://www.evilbible.com/
http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/

It's fantastic that we live in an age where information (and admittedly, disinformation) can be disseminated to those who want evidence to back up their arguments.

Also http://fullfact.org/ is a great site...especially for checking up on some of the more 'dubious' claims/stories in the popular press.

[sp1814]

AOG

Do you think there would be value in a similar site that only listed stories of immigrants and their children have actually enriched the country - like those in the armed forces, the police, the nursing profession, teachers, fire officers, home care workers, those who look after the elderly when they have no family willing to take them in.

I suppose you could call these 'everyday heroes'?

Just good to balance negative stories with the overwhelming number of positive ones perhaps?

[FredPuli43]

What percentage of immigrants defraud the benefits agencies or commit other, indictable, offfences, aog? Do you have any figure? How does it compare to the percentage of the rest of us, who aren't immigrants?

Do you accept, as a proposition, that any mass of people will have some percentage of crooks in it? If so, on what grounds, if any, would you think a mass of immigrants is any different from any other mass? Would it inevitably have more than any other? Does our mass of immigrants have any more?

[sp1814]

FredPuli43

Immigrants claim less in benefits and pay proportionally more in tax than indigenous Brits, according to the Office Of National Statistics:

http://www.thenewlond...than-british-citizens

There's also an interesting article on fullfact.org which goes on to explain that around 6% of all immigrants of working age claim benefits compared to 15% of UK citizens.

There's a caveat in that though because the figures only take into account those who WERE immigrants at the time they signed on.

Interesting...

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Do you think there would be value in a similar site that only listed stories of immigrants and their children have actually enriched the country - like those in the armed forces, the police, the nursing profession, teachers, fire officers, home care workers, those who look after the elderly when they have no family willing to take them in. ///

That is how the world revolves sp, admitted all those you have listed do excellent and valuable work and we couldn't do without them.

But I am sure that the media no matter of what persuasion could report equally on their lives.

It is the same with this site it would be most boring if criminals and others who lead lives that don't level up to the general rules of our society were not reported on.

I don't know if you noticed but this thread was regarding immigration so therefore my links appertain to the same.

I would expect that if you were to enter a thread on homosexuality (as you often do) you, yourself would post links to support your argument.

[mike11111]

It's the bit where she used a false NI number which was not picked up instantly that confuses me. To whom were her contributions being credited then?