Did Obarma win, more because of his colour, rather than his policies?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....merican-politics.html

/// Angered by the Republican candidate’s hardline stance on immigration, Hispanics supported Mr Obama by an overwhelming 70 per cent to 30 per cent margin.

/// There was no surprise that black voters backed the president by a massive majority, ///

The Divided Nation chart, makes for interesting reading, 94% blacks voted for Obama, but a respectable 40% of whites also did, would one ever see 40% blacks vote for a white candidate no matter how supportive his policies were?

[lcg]

as the ethnic mix of people in america continues to change, that will be reflected in who they vote for in the election. why shouldn't people be able to vote for someone they have an affinity for? as an aside.....many black and hispanic people/families have low socioeconomic status, so obama's stance on welfare reform, the medicare system, taxing the rich properly and other similar issues will attract votes from people who can't afford to buy into the capitalist, money driven culture of america (the american dream? i think not....), which at times is flaunted by some in a vulgar, disgraceful way.

[lcg]

also....how do you account for all the white voters who put obama back in the 'white' house? mitt romney only cares about people who don't give a stuff about anyone else. his politics is every man for himself....and that kind of attitude does not sit well with any considered, moral and responsible individuals. plus, he was a weak candidate who spent his time show-boating and avoiding huge issues of his policies. at no point did he fully explain how he was going to deliver all the selfish policies he spouted about time after time. as for him moving all of his furniture to the white house because he thought he would win the election.....shows how little he thinks about anything.

[emmie]

No i don't believe he did, nor the first time around. What has his colour got to do with it, had Romney won would you have said the same?

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// So, if you tell us what you are *really* asking.....we'll tell you what we really think. ///

Deal.........That is easy, but surely it is there for all to see, nothing complicated about it.

DID OBAMA WIN, MORE BECAUSE OF HIS COLOUR, RATHER THAN HIS POLICIES?

Yes one could answer just YES or NO, but a more experienced debater would be able to enlarge more on it than that, and without the need for any insults.

Take LazyGun's answer for example.

And if one cannot manage that then, why is there any need to answer at all?

[jake-the-peg]

It's rather patronising to suggest that black Americans would vote for someone because he's black rather than for what he stands for isn't it?

Would you not vote for someone just because he was black?

[Duncer]

That was my point entirely jake, I bet some didn't for that very reason, just as some will have voted for him because of his colour.

[dickythecook]

Basically a vote for Obama was a vote against a return to slavery that Romney and his billionaire buddies would like to bring back. Check out the labour situation in the old slave states of the south. The unions are routed and the workers are mostly on a pittance for their labour. All in the name of profit for the already mega-rich greedy corporate bosses.

[anotheoldgit]

em10

/// No i don't believe he did, nor the first time around. What has his colour got to do with it, had Romney won would you have said the same? ///

No em that is not quite the point that I am making, and obviously colour has everything to do with it, that fact cannot be ignored since one candidate was white and one was black.

Now lets get a little more closer to the question, all I am trying to say is if Romney had won because of the black vote, then I would have been surprised.

[anotheoldgit]

Dickythecook

/// Basically a vote for Obama was a vote against a return to slavery ///

Well that puts an entirely different slant on things.

Discuss.

[naomi24]

//obviously colour has everything to do with it, that fact cannot be ignored since one candidate was white and one was black.//

The ‘fact’ can be, and is ignored by intelligent people whose main interest is the politics they’re voting for.

[Baldric]

My point exactly.

[Zeuhl]

<Now lets get a little more closer to the question, all I am trying to say is if Romney had won because of the black vote, then I would have been surprised. >

Well JFK was white and he 'won because of the black vote'

That wasn't at all surprising - it was because of his policies.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// The ‘fact’ can be, and is ignored by intelligent people whose main interest is the politics they’re voting for.///

No need to be rude naomi by suggesting that I am lacking in intelligence.

The mention of colour has been brought into the past US election campaign on numerous occasions by more intelligent people than either you or I.

But it would seem that the mere mention of colour is viewed by some as a definite no, no, and that is ridiculous because it all goes to stifle healthy debate on important matters.

The problem was once attached to immigration, until we were told it was not racist to discuss or even criticise the subject of immigration.

Even so the more timid amongst us are still frightened to approach the subject, in case they are labelled racist.

[jake-the-peg]

So AOG

if your local Tory party candidate was decorated war veteran who wanted thei UK out of Europe, more police spending less spent on social security and generaly supported most of the things you do

Would you not vote for him if he was black?

[FredPuli43]

Don't know of many black Latinos (Obama got 71 per cent) or black Asians, which in the US means oriental as well as Indian etc, (73 per cent)!
But there's more to it than that. He got 60 per cent of voters aged 18 to 29 and 52 per cent of those 29 to 44.He got 59 per cent of all women, performing particularly well with young, single, women, 62 per cent of those voters who never attend religious services and 55 per cent of those who attend occasionally, and 60 per cent of those earning less than $50k a year.

That's a very broad appeal, which Romney could not match. Obama scored because of voter empathy, that people thought he cared for them as individuals. A candidate who dismisses 47 per cent of the electorate as thinking themselves victims or who tries to be an Ordinary Joe for them by saying that he was interested in NASCAR as some of his friends own NASCAR teams, is never going to be thought able to identify with them

All that

[sandyRoe]

There was a time, not so long ago, when a 'black' candidate for the Presidency would have seemed a pipe dream. It shows how far America has come that now such a candidate can run and win.
I wonder how long it will be in the UK before a non-white party leader walks along Downing St to take up his/her duties in number 10?

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

/// Well JFK was white and he 'won because of the black vote' ///

Yes but you are missing the point, was there a black candidate in opposition to JFK?

Which brings us to the point, why are blacks more likely to vote for a black person given a choice between black and white, yet whites are not so bothered about the persons colour?

[sandyRoe]

If there was a black candidate who happened to be a multi-millionaire who proposed to cut taxes for the very wealthy, and services for the middle class and the poor, he'd not get many black votes.