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Chris Huhne Resigns As Mp As He Faces Jail Sentence
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He said "having taken responsibility for something which happened 10 years ago..."
Shouldn't that have been "having FINALLY taken responsibility..."?
He said "having taken responsibility for something which happened 10 years ago..."
Shouldn't that have been "having FINALLY taken responsibility..."?
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Hang on a minute, yes he's been charged and has changed his plea to Guilty. But what about his ex-wife, apparently she is claiming 'Marital Coercion' whatever that means, she is as guilty as him but, "a woman scorned" though it has backfired on her somewhat. They're both as guilty as sin and should BOTH receive a custodial sentence. Be interesting to see the bye-election campaign at Eastleigh (local to me), can't wait.
argor ...
No, they didn't. Because there were no high profile, trophy targets.
The Police and CPS have no real interest in convicting a person who gives away three points. They just want a high profile scalp.
If it had been a low paid labourer, and his wife had shopped him for asking her to take his points, would the authorities have spent huge sums of public money to pursue justice, and higher ideals? No, of course not.
And is the fact that he lied to Parliament such a big deal?
Politicians lie to Parliament about taking the country to War in Iraq, and about the prospects for our economic future. I really don't care a hoot if an MP fibs about his speeding ticket. Because if they do decide to prosecute him ... who pays for that ??? ... ahaaaah! that would be you and me.
Well, I work hard for the money that gets taken in taxes, and I'd rather they spent it on something a bit more serious than speeding points.
Besides, if I dobbed in everyone I know who has taken points for someone else, they'd need to double the size of the CPS to handle the work load.
No, they didn't. Because there were no high profile, trophy targets.
The Police and CPS have no real interest in convicting a person who gives away three points. They just want a high profile scalp.
If it had been a low paid labourer, and his wife had shopped him for asking her to take his points, would the authorities have spent huge sums of public money to pursue justice, and higher ideals? No, of course not.
And is the fact that he lied to Parliament such a big deal?
Politicians lie to Parliament about taking the country to War in Iraq, and about the prospects for our economic future. I really don't care a hoot if an MP fibs about his speeding ticket. Because if they do decide to prosecute him ... who pays for that ??? ... ahaaaah! that would be you and me.
Well, I work hard for the money that gets taken in taxes, and I'd rather they spent it on something a bit more serious than speeding points.
Besides, if I dobbed in everyone I know who has taken points for someone else, they'd need to double the size of the CPS to handle the work load.
But Fred, if you slow down at cameras, as we all do, then you know you have been breaking the law.
People who slow down for cameras presumably think that the speed limit law is so unimportant and trivial that they don't need to obey it, as long as they can get away with it.
Or they don't care about the reasons why the law is there.
There are plenty of posts on this thread suggesting that CH was a danger on the roads, and should have taken the points, etc.
Are those ABers saying they NEVER speed? Never ever?
Or are they saying that it's not okay for CH to speed, because he's a danger, but it's fine for me to speed as long as I dodge the camera to avoid being caught, and then speed up again afterwards? That suggest a reckless attitude towards road safety.
People who slow down for cameras presumably think that the speed limit law is so unimportant and trivial that they don't need to obey it, as long as they can get away with it.
Or they don't care about the reasons why the law is there.
There are plenty of posts on this thread suggesting that CH was a danger on the roads, and should have taken the points, etc.
Are those ABers saying they NEVER speed? Never ever?
Or are they saying that it's not okay for CH to speed, because he's a danger, but it's fine for me to speed as long as I dodge the camera to avoid being caught, and then speed up again afterwards? That suggest a reckless attitude towards road safety.
Im amazed how many people cant get beyond the fact it isnt just about a driving offence. The man has spent 10 years ducking and diving the truth. We expect our politicians (OK doesnt happen in practice) to uphold the highest of standards the most basic fundemental of which is to tell the truth. He has bare faced denied to the public and parliament, used every instrument of law to avoid trial and then when caught bang to rights tried to moralise himself by 'doing the right thing' and resign being an MP before being kicked out he thinks because it happened 10 years ago it should not be so much of an issue. Hell even his children have said in no uncertain terms what a liar and other expletives what sort of a man he is. So for those people setting out to trivialise what he has done, remember we sent this man to parliament to represent us, it says a lot if what he represents is a reflection of ourselves.
Eddie ...
Yes, I admit it. I have.
But I suspect that the old ladies who live on the Whitehawk estate down the road would prefer that Sussex Constabulary spent their time stopping them from being burgled and mugged, rather than worrying about me taking points for a pal.
Maybe values are different in different parts of the mainland, but here, we get worried about rapes and murders, and robberies, and drugs, and child sex abuse, and old people being beaten for their pensions. We don't get too het up over speeding points.
Yes, I admit it. I have.
But I suspect that the old ladies who live on the Whitehawk estate down the road would prefer that Sussex Constabulary spent their time stopping them from being burgled and mugged, rather than worrying about me taking points for a pal.
Maybe values are different in different parts of the mainland, but here, we get worried about rapes and murders, and robberies, and drugs, and child sex abuse, and old people being beaten for their pensions. We don't get too het up over speeding points.
Politicians systematically lie to us.
Lots of them lie, and lie, and lie about things they do in Parliament. Like steal our money for fake expenses. Hundreds of them. Not many of them were actually prosecuted.
CH lied about something in his private life. It didn't affect me, and it didn't take money out of my pocket. So ... I don't give a stuff about it.
Lots of them lie, and lie, and lie about things they do in Parliament. Like steal our money for fake expenses. Hundreds of them. Not many of them were actually prosecuted.
CH lied about something in his private life. It didn't affect me, and it didn't take money out of my pocket. So ... I don't give a stuff about it.
And if you get caught, Jayne, because you didn't slow down in time, what would you expect to happen?
And do you think it right to claim that someone else was driving, so that you avoid the consequences? If you do, what criminal offence is sufficiently serious for you to think getting someone to perjure themselves, to avoid your prosecution, is wrong?
And do you think it right to claim that someone else was driving, so that you avoid the consequences? If you do, what criminal offence is sufficiently serious for you to think getting someone to perjure themselves, to avoid your prosecution, is wrong?
Here's one to think through, Fred.
We are both driving at the same speed, me in front of you.
We are both speeding.
I don't see the camera, so I get caught.
You do see it, so you don't get caught.
After the camera, you speed up and catch up with me.
I get points.
AND ... are you ahead of me here ...
I ask you to take my points.
We were both speeding on the same road, at the same time, on the same day.
Does Society suffer a huge injustice if you take the points?
And bear in mind ... by slowing down and speeding up again, you were technically driving more dangerously than me. You were sneaky, to avoid the camera. And you slowed down and speeded up in a dangerous way. Surely justice demands that you MUST take my points!
We are both driving at the same speed, me in front of you.
We are both speeding.
I don't see the camera, so I get caught.
You do see it, so you don't get caught.
After the camera, you speed up and catch up with me.
I get points.
AND ... are you ahead of me here ...
I ask you to take my points.
We were both speeding on the same road, at the same time, on the same day.
Does Society suffer a huge injustice if you take the points?
And bear in mind ... by slowing down and speeding up again, you were technically driving more dangerously than me. You were sneaky, to avoid the camera. And you slowed down and speeded up in a dangerous way. Surely justice demands that you MUST take my points!
He did some thing wrong (doesn't matter if it was speeding or something else), he got his wife to take the blame, he has lied for ten years about it and now he pleads guilty. He choose to be in the public eye so he has only got himself to blame for being at the centre of attention. I am not into politics but he is coming across as a lying git who deserves what he gets. It wasn't a one off lie, he has sustained it for ten years.
JJ, the point as I see it is 'where does it stop ?'
If in your eyes it is ok to 'take points' for a speeding offence how far would it go ? Would you 'take points' for jumping a red light ? Driving in a bus lane ? Wrong way up a one way street ? Leaving the scene of an accident ? ( I know some one who did this , he was caught out and both parties got 18 months in jail and a 2 year ban) Driving with no insurance or no licence.
Stealing a car ? Once you get on the slippery slope it is very hard to stop.
Or even to get back to speeding , how much 'over the limit' would you take ? 10 mph, 30, 40 50 ?
If in your eyes it is ok to 'take points' for a speeding offence how far would it go ? Would you 'take points' for jumping a red light ? Driving in a bus lane ? Wrong way up a one way street ? Leaving the scene of an accident ? ( I know some one who did this , he was caught out and both parties got 18 months in jail and a 2 year ban) Driving with no insurance or no licence.
Stealing a car ? Once you get on the slippery slope it is very hard to stop.
Or even to get back to speeding , how much 'over the limit' would you take ? 10 mph, 30, 40 50 ?
How do you define 'victimless', Jayne ? That there is no obvious risk of harm to anyone? Then committing perjury is fine if there's no identifiable person who is harmed by it, or by the crime it is intended to conceal? And protecting a speeding driver from conviction doesn't hurt anyone else. So if we do it four times and keep him on the road, that's fine is it? If not, when does it become wrong? Twice? Three times? Once only if he's driving dangerously fast, say 150 mph, but doesn't hit anything?
And does keeping his record clean not benefit him in insurance? And while he's getting that benefit through the insurers, who is subsidising it? Honest drivers.
The law does not concern itself with these subtleties. Attempting to pervert the course of public justice is what this is; the rest is only mitigation, or not
And does keeping his record clean not benefit him in insurance? And while he's getting that benefit through the insurers, who is subsidising it? Honest drivers.
The law does not concern itself with these subtleties. Attempting to pervert the course of public justice is what this is; the rest is only mitigation, or not
If you break the law, you must expect to take the consequences. Mr. Huhne attempted to avoid the consequences of getting caught breaking the law by getting his wife lie and claim she was the guilty party. All this so that Mr Huhne could avoid getting 12 points and an automatic disqualification - a problem for anyone, especially if you have to travel a lot for your job. But for a multimillionaire not really the same level of problem as for you average man in the street. And the irony is that he was caught by the cops just a few months later yakking on his mobile whilst driving and picked up 3 points anyway.
So- all of this deceit and lying just to maintain a facade. All the harm done to his family relationships.
And there it would have rested, had his wife not wanted to get some measure of revenge for him walking out on her. So 10 years later, some journo with street smarts realise they now have a story with far more legs than just martyred woman left by man story - now they have a perjury story and a perversion of justice story.
JJ claims the whole thing is trivial - and anyway, we all know that MPs lie, so what? BUt there is a big difference between political spin and economical with the actualite, and lying to the police - especially from a once Home Office Spokesperson for his party, who supposedly stood up for law and order.
Then he spends a small fortune trying to have the case thrown out, all the while categorically denying the truth and lying to the press. He is disgraced, and deservedly so.
So- all of this deceit and lying just to maintain a facade. All the harm done to his family relationships.
And there it would have rested, had his wife not wanted to get some measure of revenge for him walking out on her. So 10 years later, some journo with street smarts realise they now have a story with far more legs than just martyred woman left by man story - now they have a perjury story and a perversion of justice story.
JJ claims the whole thing is trivial - and anyway, we all know that MPs lie, so what? BUt there is a big difference between political spin and economical with the actualite, and lying to the police - especially from a once Home Office Spokesperson for his party, who supposedly stood up for law and order.
Then he spends a small fortune trying to have the case thrown out, all the while categorically denying the truth and lying to the press. He is disgraced, and deservedly so.
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