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It's not the shutting down that's the problem, it's the potential censorship.
My view is that the Uni wanted to make sure that the weekly khutbah wasn't being used to inflame the students into wanting to join terrorist groups etc or to be generally anti-Western. It does seem extreme - all they'll do is move to a local mosque
My view is that the Uni wanted to make sure that the weekly khutbah wasn't being used to inflame the students into wanting to join terrorist groups etc or to be generally anti-Western. It does seem extreme - all they'll do is move to a local mosque
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Far be it for me to defend religious rites :) - but a university is not just about a bunch of classrooms and laboratories. It is a community, with leisure facilities, restaurants, theatres even. And universities are open to all - and there will be many who have a strong religious conviction and wish to avail themselves of a place to pray.
Hence a prayer room.
As to this particular issue - I think I read somewhere that there was a high profile instance a few years ago where the occasion and venue was used to promote violence and anti-western sentiment, so one can understand the university authorities being anxious to get sight of the proposed sermons.
It is a form of censorship, I guess, and what you feel about this will be dependent upon how important you feel the issues of free speech and censorship. For myself, I think it is a form of censorship, and should not be tolerated. What the authorities should do, if they suspect this kind of radicalism, is get someone to attend and take notes, then come to a decision if they have evidence of anything that could be considered hate speech or incitement to violence....
Hence a prayer room.
As to this particular issue - I think I read somewhere that there was a high profile instance a few years ago where the occasion and venue was used to promote violence and anti-western sentiment, so one can understand the university authorities being anxious to get sight of the proposed sermons.
It is a form of censorship, I guess, and what you feel about this will be dependent upon how important you feel the issues of free speech and censorship. For myself, I think it is a form of censorship, and should not be tolerated. What the authorities should do, if they suspect this kind of radicalism, is get someone to attend and take notes, then come to a decision if they have evidence of anything that could be considered hate speech or incitement to violence....
Yes they should be shut down. All faith schools are agents of division.
They all have their places of worship and can attend them any time they want but not in an educational establishment. All over the world faith schools are peddling division . Prayer meetings and sermons get a great deal of kudos if it takes place within an educational establishment and we encourage it at our peril. Free schools were first promoted as a way of improving standards but they have become a tax funded way of promoting exteme doctrines.
There is nothing to stop Finsbury Park Mosque becoming a free school and the likes of Abu Hamza being the headmaster.
They all have their places of worship and can attend them any time they want but not in an educational establishment. All over the world faith schools are peddling division . Prayer meetings and sermons get a great deal of kudos if it takes place within an educational establishment and we encourage it at our peril. Free schools were first promoted as a way of improving standards but they have become a tax funded way of promoting exteme doctrines.
There is nothing to stop Finsbury Park Mosque becoming a free school and the likes of Abu Hamza being the headmaster.
pdq, that's not the case - they roll up their prayer mats and either take them away or put them in a cupboard when they've finished, leaves the room clear for the Jewish people on Saturday and the Christians on Sunday.
I think it's a great idea having these sort of facilities in colleges and universities - you already have them in airports and hospitals.
I think it's a great idea having these sort of facilities in colleges and universities - you already have them in airports and hospitals.
We are not talking about prayers at a school, or a faith / free school. Nor are we talking indoctrination of infants and children.
These are adults at a public institution, a community where it is perfectly acceptable to have an inter-denominational prayer room.
I personally have no time for religion, especially the fundamentalist ones, but this is a free country - one that places value on civil liberties and an impartial, secular democracy. Those adults that feel the need for a communal outlet for their religious ritual should have the space to do so, provided they do not attempt to inflict their values on others.
These are adults at a public institution, a community where it is perfectly acceptable to have an inter-denominational prayer room.
I personally have no time for religion, especially the fundamentalist ones, but this is a free country - one that places value on civil liberties and an impartial, secular democracy. Those adults that feel the need for a communal outlet for their religious ritual should have the space to do so, provided they do not attempt to inflict their values on others.
// Those adults that feel the need for a communal outlet for their religious ritual should have the space to do so //
Not as some kind of automatic right though. Only if the University in question sees fit to provide one - which of course they all do, because they want people to go there.
It's like having a bar on the campus, they shouldn't be obligated to provide one, but they all do anyway, because it wouldn't be a very popular Uni if they didn't.
Not as some kind of automatic right though. Only if the University in question sees fit to provide one - which of course they all do, because they want people to go there.
It's like having a bar on the campus, they shouldn't be obligated to provide one, but they all do anyway, because it wouldn't be a very popular Uni if they didn't.
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