Quite Appalling Behaviour

[Duncer]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-jailed-random-punch-attacks-160110909.html#JCMLRPz

[sp1814]

Duncer

I think the problem is that you're assuming that miscreants have the same thought processes as you or I.

If I knew that I could be deported for engaging in criminal activity, I would not engage in criminal activity. I would do everything in my power to ensure that I do not come under the gaze of the police.

However (generalisation moment) - criminals are as dumb as a box of hair. They are of lower intellectual ability, and (generalisation moment number two) get into their criminal lifestyle because they ae educationally 'sub normal'.

I saw a documentary last night about prisons. One young man had been put into an exclusion wing because of his frequent violent behaviour. He thought that continuing his violent behaviour would somehow get him out.

We need to be aware that criminals don't really think like us.

[LazyGun]

@ baz - I am not trying to distort what you are saying at all.

I just think you are wrong to attribute such behaviours to a relatively modern cultural import such as rap, or a racial group, such as "blacks", which from the sum of your posts you appear to do.

I also think that you have tunnel vision when it comes to viewing these issues, and I think you are convinced that your particular view of the world is the only correct one, and that anyone who holds a different view is wrong, or blinkered.

You continue to offer defensive, pre-emptive assertions as to the motives of others, a behaviour which seems paranoid. That is, when you are not sneering at them for what you perceive to be their shortcomings or beliefs. And you offer no objective evidence, just your belief, based upon events around you, reported news events, and, presumably, posts here and conversations with others, all of which are filtered through your own beliefs and prejudices.

Gang culture is common to all civilisations, of all racial and ethnic stock. Random acts of appalling,brutal violence have been meted out to innocent bystanders across generations of time. This is not exclusively a modern phenomenon. It does not have a single root cause, but its spread appears wider than it once did, and that is definitely a cause for concern.

[sp1814]

Duncer

I've just re-read my post and realise that I totally didn't answer your question - I just wandered off into my own thoughts.

You asked whether it would make it more difficult to deport someone claiming a right to family life under the Human Rights Act.

I'm not sure about that.

There have been cases where an asylum seeker has lodged a claim under the HR act, but know the success rate.

[Duncer]

sp, I was wondering where you were coming from, but I still love the "box of hair" remark.

I know only too well that criminals think differently.

[Duncer]

"You asked whether it would make it more difficult to deport someone claiming a right to family life under the Human Rights Act. "

I didn't mate, the previous poster did.

[New Judge]

a couple of things, sp:

"...and let's not assume that a thug like that will actually be out in two years, because what are the chances he will exhibit 'good behaviour' in jail? "

All prisoners serving determinate sentences are released at the halfway point, regardless of their behaviour. Release is automatic and unconditional. The only way they would serve additional time is if they committed further offences whilst in prison for which they were charged and convicted. And even that would be unlikely if the sentence imposed for the new offence was less than that remaining of the original sentence as the sentences would almost certainly be served concurrently. The notion of release for "good behaviour" went out many years ago. At that time prisoners were awarded up to one third off their sentence for good behaviour and prison governors had the authority to impose "loss of remission" for bad behaviour. This was ruled out of order because, under the perverse thinking of the time, ordering loss of remission was seen as imposing additional custody and prison governors were not "a properly convened tribunal" with the power to do that.

As far as yor criticism of my analogy goes we will have to differ. Most of the newcomers to this country were not "invited here" to share the bills. They simply turned up (some legally, some illegally), shared in the bills if it suited them or shared in the spoils if it did not. And in any case, anybody I might invite to lodge in my house to share the bills and mortgage would be on his bike quite quickly if I caught him punching my daughter.

[bazwillrun]

" but its spread appears wider than it once did"

and as far as the UK is concerned its overwhelmingly down to the odious part of black culture that i've already mentioned

[emmie]

if he punched my daughter he would need to be in jail, scum like this really make me sick, how on earth do we get rid of him after whatever time he serves is up.

[Duncer]

I suspect we don't.

[FredPuli43]

The most he could have got for one count of abh is 5 years imprisonment. He was convicted of two. In theory, he could have got 5 plus 5 consecutive, 10 years. That gives him no credit, no discount, for pleading guilty. He would be out in 5.

How much do people here think he should have got? Must say, I was a bit surprised he got 4 on a plea, though I think the sentence is correct.

[emmie]

ten years and no half sentence, sorry he is a danger to people, women especially.

[FredPuli43]

Do we have any evidence that more people are being punched in the face by black men who say they've been looked at, dissed, not respected, than were being punched in the face by whites who demanded to know who they were looking at? Or 'Are you looking at my girl?' Or "You spilled my pint"? Or any of the other time-honoured excuses used by whites for totally unprovoked violence?

Baz it's not clear. Are you saying that people using unprovoked violence is unique to blacks, or that they do it far more than we whites do, or simply that they do it equally but the words, the "excuses", they use are differently put?

[anneasquith]

i was too horrified at the attack to care where he originated from, sadly this person will not be in prison very long:(

[bazwillrun]

Ecclstone case, attempted blackmailer of rich woman 4 years
violent thug punches innocent woman to ground 4 years

yeah, that all makes sense

[sp1814]

New Judge

You wrote:

'All prisoners serving determinate sentences are released at the halfway point, regardless of their behaviour.'

I did not know that, and it's a ridiculous state of affairs.

Regarding immigrants and your analogy...yes - I think we will have to agree to disagree, because most of the immigrants to the UK are working.

[Duncer]

sp, that has been the case with prisoners for ten years or more.

[emmie]

appalling that he will do two years or less, what justice is this.

[New Judge]

Yes, sp, agreed. Most of the immigrants here are working. But most of them were not invited here.They invited themselves.

[sandyRoe]

Will he have the opportunity to address his drug abuse and violent behaviour while in prison?

[FredPuli43]

NJ, how do you distinguish between the man who arrives on my doorstep and I welcome him in, and the man I send an express invitation to? Are they not both invited? But, more importantly, why do you draw such a distinction?