Can We Please Discuss This

[bunkmoreland]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2236081/Why-Muslim-mother-I-believe-damaging-hide-truth-Asian-sex-gangs.html

[FredPuli43]

Why now? The piece dates from November 2012. The subject has been discussed at length on here before and since.

[sp1814]

bunkmoreland

What would you like to say about the piece?

[anotheoldgit]

/// But, ironically, the report writers, too, try hard to side-step some difficult facts and even warn the rest of us from going where they have chosen not to tread. ///

Sounds a bit like some on Answerbank.

/// So why the squeamishness about gang sex exploitation? I think it is because — like a number of police officers and social workers who have been presented with such evidence in the past — the committee in charge of the report are nervous of causing offence to community leaders, of being thought racists. ///

I wonder if some police officers and social workers would be so nervous of causing offence, if the perpetrators of these crimes had been white and their victims Asian?

[Noth43]

with regard your second quote AoG...yes, It's quiet on this thread isn't it. No wonder they get away with it.

[Gromit]

Before you all leap on her bandwagon, I suggest you do some research on the author, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. If you can't be bothered,I'll tell you. She is a leftwing nutter.

[New Judge]

Thanks for your succinct summing-up of Ms Alibhai-Brown, Gromit. Saved me a lot of trouble!

But unfortunately it's left me a little puzzled. The usual strategy for "Left Wing Nutters" in matters such as these is to highlight the racial make up of groups such as those who are (supposedly disproportionately) "victims" of things like stop-and-search, or of the prison population which suggests that ethnic minorities are more likely to end up in custody (based on the fact that there are large numbers of them there rather than looking at whether or not they have a greater propensity towards crime). But when it comes to perpetrators of crime the same nutters do all the can to suppress the facts which might show that certain crimes have a disproprtionately high number of ethnnic minority people committing them.

Ms Alibhai-Brown seems to have broken ranks with this mantra and, as I said, I'm puzzled.

[Gromit]

My favourite YAB quote:

Dateline London: "What's wrong with white guys, by the way?"

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: "I don't like them. I want them to be the lost species in 100 years".



"What's wrong with white guys, by the way?"

To which Alibhai-Brown replied:

"I don't like them. I want them to be the lost species in 100 years".

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I suggest you do some research on the author, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. If you can't be bothered,I'll tell you. She is a leftwing nutter. ///

Well that's about covered it 'left-Wing nutter' 'Right-Wing nutter'

According to Gromit everyones a nutter so it seems, except of course those who he agrees with, and they seem to be in the minority.

The whole world must be full of 'nutters'.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Even though you obviously have a dislike of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown sas a person, but can you at least publicly agree with the statement she made in this particular post?

/// We need clear and honest figures to show how race and ethnicity are linked to these unspeakable crimes. ///

Or is it because of this that you class her as a 'Left-Wing Nutter'?

[Gromit]

AOG. I take it you haven't reasearched YB then.

Heffer is an extreme right wing looney, YAB is an extreme left wing nutter.

There is quite a lot between those two extremes I can agree with.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

You still haven't addressed this.

/// But can you at least publicly agree with the statement she made in this particular post? ///

[Gromit]

// We need clear and HONEST figures to show how race and ethnicity are linked to these unspeakable crimes. //

I can certain agree with that AOG. I just doubt the Daily Mail is the source of HONEST figures. It has a very poor record of misrepresenting the figures.

[chrisgel]

What we are not told we will guess at, I know I have. That is the nature of the beast so to speak.

[Gromit]

// At present, the closest we have to a national estimate comes from CEOP's 2011 scoping study into "localised grooming", roughly synonymous with on-street grooming. Response rates to the researchers request for data from police, children's services and the third sector, were low. Based on these patchy data, CEOP suggest there are over 2,000 "potential offenders" in the UK. Most of these, however, will never have been formally identified, let alone arrested, charged or prosecuted. Ethnicity data were available for just one-third. Of these, 49% were white and 46% Asian: the proportion of Pakistani Asians remains unknown. However, in a country where Asians constitute 7% of the general population, this is a striking figure.  //

So the majority of offenders are white, but the Asian (Pakistani) figure is disproportionately high.