How Many Still Believe That We Have Nothing To Fear?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293786/Former-PCSO-BBC-security-guard-converted-Islam-admits-terror-plot.html

With more and more of this type of traitorous scum being clawed from where they hatch, isn't it time that treason carried a life sentence, with life meaning life?

But I still believe that they should be put against a wall and shot, let's face it, it would be the cheaper option.

[ChillDoubt]

Never really understood why anyone who attends anti British marches would want to stay here. It must be truly intolerable for them.
Yet none seem to want to leave, despite the fact that there are plenty of places they'd be welcome.

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// Example: British reaction to the Dublin Riots of 1916. Executing the leaders did no end of damage to our prestige and status. ///

Well if you are going to get the history books out once again, why not ban the Islamic religion just as Henry VIII banned Roman Catholics?

[emmie]

Chill
surely you know the answer to that..

[anotheoldgit]

ChillDoubt

/// Never really understood why anyone who attends anti British marches would want to stay here. It must be truly intolerable for them.
Yet none seem to want to leave, despite the fact that there are plenty of places they'd be welcome. ///

Yes but would they look after them as we do in this country?

[Sammy48]

freedom of speech and benefits is the answer why they stay.

[jim360]

Well that didn't do anyone any favours. Didn't even suppress Catholicism did it?

I agree that there is a serious problem and something needs to be done about it, starting with stepping up the security operation that led to this man being found, caught and convicted. But gunslinging is not the answer. Never has been and never will be.

[ChillDoubt]

I knew you'd spot my sarcasm em10....

[emmie]

if they are born and raised here, one wonders what they find so captivating, after all it's not an inclusive religion, doesn't seem to care for homosexuals much, nor women for that matter, so what is it that draws them to it?

[bazwillrun]

I find them and the fact they are classed as British deeply offensive and that also goes for the numpty convert with them.

[WELSHYORKIE]

AOG - so you DO have a sense of humour!!

[andy-hughes]

The usual Pavlocian responses aside - the definition of terrorismis that it lives and thrives on fear. Therefore, i refuse to live in fear.

There are always extemist haters in every nation, and from every nation - so it makes no sense to get your petticoats blown up over one more.

I make it a point not to worry about things i cannot change, and the hatred of Muslims, or indeed EDL and BNP members, fall right into that catagory.

Anyone answering this with a post starting "So...' will be ignored!!!

[doctordb]

On a personal level I do not live in fear. 9/11 or 7/7 have made no impact on my life except that maybe now I have to wait longer at airports. They want us to fear and the right response is not to.

[emmie]

AH, the difference here is that a number of the Muslim fraternity have done something about their grievances, and planted bombs on our streets.
I am well aware that the IRA did the same, and i don't think you ever get over witnessing it...

[andy-hughes]

em10 - but these people are not part of the 'Muslim fraternity' - that's the entire point.

[emmie]

yes they are, in exactly the same way that IRA bombers were part of the Irish fraternity, you can't say they are not. What you think is that they are just a few lone nutters, outside of the mainstream of their religion, extremists, misguided, muddled, i don't see that at all.

[emmie]

i am genuinely surprised at how many bombings there have been here, discounting the blitz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London

[jake-the-peg]

Well I for one am so glad we have all those brave soldiers in Afghanistan keeping us safe from this sort of threat!


MI5 budget : £2 billion

MOD Budget: £27.3 billion



Anybody else see a problem here?

[emmie]

JTP, please don't keep on about this, our soldiers are doing their job, which is what they get paid to do, they don't get a choice by and large where they end up..
by the way would you go out into hostile terrain to try and defuse a bomb,
knowing full well that if it goes up, as many have, you won't be coming home, except in a box.

[LazyGun]

I think Sandy and others have the right of it. There should be nothing to fear but fear itself. To be fearful is to admit defeat. To impose swingeing restrictions, and cede civic rights to the authorities is a policy borne out of fear.

We should be vigilant and wary, but not fearful.Nor should we ourselves descend to the same level of barbarism exhibited by these terrorists. Do that and we become not much better than the terrorists themselves, and they have won a moral victory.

As for JtPs point - Its a valid one. The original, stated intention of the actions in Afghanistan were to protect the UK, but increasingly it would seem that it has not achieved that aim. No one is denigrating the actions of individual servicemen here; rather, that spending money on keeping them out there could probably be better spent beefing up domestic security and MI5 operations.

[andy-hughes]

LazyGun - that indeed is the point.

The MOD spend millions of pounds and hundreds of lives 'protecting' the UK.

It takes one extremist who has never even been to Afghanistanand one bomb to make a mockery of the entire notion of 'protection'.

Instead of trying to subdue extremists with milirary forcec - whcih simply adds fuel to their argument that they are oppressed - why not spend the time engaging their leaders in some dialogue to find out our differences, and some common way forward.

Like Churchill said - "After war war comes jaw jaw ..."