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Oxford Man To Turn His Back On Funeral
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An Oxford student plans a protest of getting people to turn their backs on Lady Thatcher's cortege. The Mail sees this as "disrupting". Do you? Should it be stopped? Should he not live in a £700,000 house?
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I don't think he's doing it to upset Thatcher either (and even if she were still alive I doubt she would care). Neither am I particularly supportive of Francis' politics. He's just doing it to symbolically express his distaste for her legacy in a way that is quiet and non-disruptive because he feels like that's a worthwhile thing to do.
I don't understand.
If you don't agree with Maggie and her policies, why would you waste your time, money and effort going to the funeral in the first place? Isn't that giving her more of your attention than you feel she deserves? Let them as want to mourn her mourn her.
Surely the best protest is empty streets?
If you don't agree with Maggie and her policies, why would you waste your time, money and effort going to the funeral in the first place? Isn't that giving her more of your attention than you feel she deserves? Let them as want to mourn her mourn her.
Surely the best protest is empty streets?
He is making a protest. To you, it might seem an empty one - tasteless even - but this is a democracy, we are allowed the rights of free speech and free expression and peaceful protest, and she was an exceptionally divisive leader who is being granted the honour of what amounts to a state funeral at the taxpayers expense.
Plenty to protest at there. Being offended, or deciding something is tasteless are not sufficient grounds to ban or censor something, as I am fairly sure Thatcher, were she still alive, would be the first to agree...
Plenty to protest at there. Being offended, or deciding something is tasteless are not sufficient grounds to ban or censor something, as I am fairly sure Thatcher, were she still alive, would be the first to agree...
//as I am fairly sure Thatcher, were she still alive, would be the first to agree...// The point is that she ISN'T alive, and this ISN'T democracy, it's simply showing off to those who are. She is dead (r.i.p.) and can not witness this behaviour which stands for much that I dislike about modern Britain.
If she was your mother, how would you feel having to witness so much nastiness?
If she was your mother, how would you feel having to witness so much nastiness?
@Khandro - Thats your opinion. Your sensibilities are offended, so you want to ban it or deride it because it offends your delicate sensibilities. Thats not a sufficiently good reason.
And whether she was my mother or not is just a ridiculously emotive attempt at a straw man. What she was in life was the most divisive PM we have had since WW2, who engendered adoration and disgust/hatred in more or less equal measures. And this person is being granted what amounts to a state funeral, procession and all, at the taxpayers expense. That alone is a legitimate reason for protest.
For the record - If I was the son of Thatcher, I would dislike what was being proposed, because obviously its family, but I would respect the rights of those making the protest.
And whether she was my mother or not is just a ridiculously emotive attempt at a straw man. What she was in life was the most divisive PM we have had since WW2, who engendered adoration and disgust/hatred in more or less equal measures. And this person is being granted what amounts to a state funeral, procession and all, at the taxpayers expense. That alone is a legitimate reason for protest.
For the record - If I was the son of Thatcher, I would dislike what was being proposed, because obviously its family, but I would respect the rights of those making the protest.
LazyGun, A quick glance through the posts confirms that few – not even Khandro - say it should be banned. I don’t know why you’re getting your knickers in a knot. Don’t people here have just as much right to express their disdain for his action as he has to stage his little protest? For the record I don’t think she should be getting a fancy funeral either – but backs turned or not, she is.
@ Naomi You are fully entitled to express your opinion, as I am mine.
And you can describe the protests, the protest song, the party in the square in any manner you wish - that is your right. Just as it is their right to engage in such protests, buy and endorse such protest songs, and attend such parties. Just as it is my right to defend those who wish to make these protests, buy those protest songs, attend such parties.
The right wing media and press, exemplified by the DM and Express were howling for the censorship - for the BBC to ban playing the ding dong song. Thats anti-democratic.
However distasteful or offensive people might personally find such protests, songs and parties, unless they are actually breaking the Public Order or Decency laws, they are not committing an offence, so attempts to censor or ban such actions are wrong.
She might be an elderly mother and grandmother who has died - but she was also one of the most powerful political leaders in the world, the most divisive leader since WW2 - someone who changed the political landscape and left a lasting political legacy - and people are fully entitled to protest that, especially since that same person has been granted what amounts to a state funeral, procession, military honours, gun carriage and all, at the taxpayers expense. Should people wish to protest that, they should be entitled to do so, short of actually disrupting the ceremony or procession.
And you can describe the protests, the protest song, the party in the square in any manner you wish - that is your right. Just as it is their right to engage in such protests, buy and endorse such protest songs, and attend such parties. Just as it is my right to defend those who wish to make these protests, buy those protest songs, attend such parties.
The right wing media and press, exemplified by the DM and Express were howling for the censorship - for the BBC to ban playing the ding dong song. Thats anti-democratic.
However distasteful or offensive people might personally find such protests, songs and parties, unless they are actually breaking the Public Order or Decency laws, they are not committing an offence, so attempts to censor or ban such actions are wrong.
She might be an elderly mother and grandmother who has died - but she was also one of the most powerful political leaders in the world, the most divisive leader since WW2 - someone who changed the political landscape and left a lasting political legacy - and people are fully entitled to protest that, especially since that same person has been granted what amounts to a state funeral, procession, military honours, gun carriage and all, at the taxpayers expense. Should people wish to protest that, they should be entitled to do so, short of actually disrupting the ceremony or procession.
LazyGun, I agree with all of that - but I don't know if you realise that your posts are coming across as rantingly aggressive. To my knowledge, twice in two days you've claimed that other people hold an opinion they haven't expressed.
jno, Gosh. I do hope you're not at it too. Where did you get the impression that people think he's wicked?
jno, Gosh. I do hope you're not at it too. Where did you get the impression that people think he's wicked?
Things is, though, there are few truly private funerals even for Joe Bloggs. Most of them are public. People who hated Joe Bloggs still stay away, or keep their mouths shut, during the protest. So why is it so hard to behave the same way for someone who just happened to be a public figure?
Anyway, he should be allowed to protest. I just wish he wouldn't.
Anyway, he should be allowed to protest. I just wish he wouldn't.
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