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How Long Can The Eu Last?
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kevink I think you are the one who is confused.
What has the ECHR got to do with ymfs post and the article in the Guardian ?
Germany was a founder and dominate member of the EEC,the EC, and the EU both politically and financially .
Had Germany pulled out at any stage it would have collapsed.
Germany is desperate to avoid the divisive errors of the last century.
The current Euro problem is purely another example of Germany trying to keep the EU together.
Maybe you can now come up with another sarcastic irrelevant remark .
What has the ECHR got to do with ymfs post and the article in the Guardian ?
Germany was a founder and dominate member of the EEC,the EC, and the EU both politically and financially .
Had Germany pulled out at any stage it would have collapsed.
Germany is desperate to avoid the divisive errors of the last century.
The current Euro problem is purely another example of Germany trying to keep the EU together.
Maybe you can now come up with another sarcastic irrelevant remark .
I suppose I'm one of those ideologists. Still, if an experiment isn't working it's time to either change the conditions of the experiment or stop doing it and start all over.
A united Europe can be better than a disunited one. It's hard to argue that this United Europe has been better. The Euro, in particular, was a failed experiment by trying to sail so many different ships at the same speed when several of them were pretty badly broken and held together only using duct tape, and another two were cruise liners.
In the long run, and call me stupid if you like, I'd hope for a United Europe to work. But that appears to be something we aren't "ready" for -- or don't want just yet.
A united Europe can be better than a disunited one. It's hard to argue that this United Europe has been better. The Euro, in particular, was a failed experiment by trying to sail so many different ships at the same speed when several of them were pretty badly broken and held together only using duct tape, and another two were cruise liners.
In the long run, and call me stupid if you like, I'd hope for a United Europe to work. But that appears to be something we aren't "ready" for -- or don't want just yet.
“Apart from Britain, everyone else seems to want to join it.”
Er…not quite true. The nations that are clamouring to join are those who, shall we put it kindly, don’t have a pot in which to urinate. I’d like to open a joint bank account with Richard Branson. It’s much the same ambition.
“Like the Federal United States of America for example? “
The States that came together to form the USA were not a diverse collection of independent nation states, jake. They generally had a single culture, mostly spoke a single language, had a single set of ideals and an already established single currency. Not quite the same thing as the EU.
The EU will survive so long as vain politicians of the independent nation states who put the whole mess together continue to be allowed by their electorates to perpetuate the shambles. Its end will eventually come but not before the continent has been impoverished and ruined.
Er…not quite true. The nations that are clamouring to join are those who, shall we put it kindly, don’t have a pot in which to urinate. I’d like to open a joint bank account with Richard Branson. It’s much the same ambition.
“Like the Federal United States of America for example? “
The States that came together to form the USA were not a diverse collection of independent nation states, jake. They generally had a single culture, mostly spoke a single language, had a single set of ideals and an already established single currency. Not quite the same thing as the EU.
The EU will survive so long as vain politicians of the independent nation states who put the whole mess together continue to be allowed by their electorates to perpetuate the shambles. Its end will eventually come but not before the continent has been impoverished and ruined.
Quite so, ichkeria.
Having read that article it says, basically, the EU will do what it wants about each individual aspect of Scotland’s proposed membership. As in the usual EU style, let’s not trouble ourselves too much with the rules we’ll just make them up as we go along. Of course Scotland should be required to apply for membership. The rest of the EU may not want a newly created sovereign state among its number immediately until it has had an opportunity to demonstrate that it is worthy of membership. Of course it should agree to adopt the Euro, as all new member states are. Of course it should adopt Schengen as all new members states must. It is said that the Scottish people have “acquired rights” of EU membership and so those rights should continue. But those rights were acquired when they were citizens of the UK and they no longer will be under an independent Scotland..
But, of course, this is the EU. A few palms will be greased, a few agreeable dinners followed by port and cigars will be hosted (funded by the hapless EU taxpayers, natch) during which hushed discussions will take place and - Hey Presto! - all the problems will be overcome. What a farce! If it wasn't so serious I'd split my sides.
Having read that article it says, basically, the EU will do what it wants about each individual aspect of Scotland’s proposed membership. As in the usual EU style, let’s not trouble ourselves too much with the rules we’ll just make them up as we go along. Of course Scotland should be required to apply for membership. The rest of the EU may not want a newly created sovereign state among its number immediately until it has had an opportunity to demonstrate that it is worthy of membership. Of course it should agree to adopt the Euro, as all new member states are. Of course it should adopt Schengen as all new members states must. It is said that the Scottish people have “acquired rights” of EU membership and so those rights should continue. But those rights were acquired when they were citizens of the UK and they no longer will be under an independent Scotland..
But, of course, this is the EU. A few palms will be greased, a few agreeable dinners followed by port and cigars will be hosted (funded by the hapless EU taxpayers, natch) during which hushed discussions will take place and - Hey Presto! - all the problems will be overcome. What a farce! If it wasn't so serious I'd split my sides.
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