Should There Now Be An Inquiry Into Why This Case Took So Long Coming To Light?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324386/Missed-chances-halt-sex-gang-Police-social-workers-apologise-girls-tortured-medieval-predators-chief-constable-refuses-resign.html

There have been calls for the chief constable of Thames Valley Police to resign, but she is not the only one who was responsible for the years this case had been ignored.

They were not all Pakistanis, these two monsters were from Entrea, however they are still Muslims.

/// Their civil servant father brought them to Britain from Eritrea to give them the best chance in life. ///

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324629/Egyptian-Mo-Sam-Rapist-The-middle-class-brothers-father-wanted-study-Oxford-University.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324621/Girl-12-branded-hairpin-raped-sold-sex-600-hour.html

[Canary42]

You recently castigated a contributor for persistently returning to the same topic - aren't you being a bit of a hypocrite ?

[LazyGun]

Most definitely there should be an inquiry. And we should be more robust in penalising those public servants who were culpably negligent, rather than letting take early retirement, or move to another well paid job in some other region, as has happened in the past.

Clarify something for me - You made this comment

"They were not all Pakistanis, these two monsters were from Entrea, however they are still Muslims."

Do you believe that this case proves that all Pakistani (males) are predisposed to act as sexual predators? Or do you believe that this case proves that all Muslim (males) are predisposed to act as sexual predators? Is that what you mean by that sentence?

[Octavius]

Yes indeed, another inquiry. That'll solve everything.

[jim360]

I definitely want to know if there was anything more the police could have, or should have, done earlier to bring this case to court faster. So yes, an enquiry seems worth the effort.

[sp1814]

Yes - it would certainly seem reasonable for an enquiry to establish what went wrong and what opportunities were missed in order that the police and social services can put procedures in place so that these cases are caught earlier.

The problem that this, and other cases seem to prove, is that there needs to be a more 'joined up' and formalised approach to investigations between the police and social services.

[FredPuli43]

If aog does believe that Pakistanis and Muslims are disposed to this, it's not for lack of evidence, is it? These cases are unusual. These are no gang bangs. They are not paedophiles in a ring grooming online. They are not a group passing round one girl of 16 or more. They are not pimps importing or recruiting women as prostitutes. No, they are a group who target and befriend vulnerable girls, often children,, met socially or on the street, they are all of mature years and they are Pakistani or other Muslim men. That is a striking similarity, not explained by coincidence. Something in some part of their thinking unites them. That is not saying that every or most Muslims or Pakistanis think that way, only that this perverted thinking is encountered surprisingly often in men who are Muslim from Pakistan and, evidently, sometimes elsewhere.

[anotheoldgit]

Canary42

/// You recently castigated a contributor for persistently returning to the same topic - aren't you being a bit of a hypocrite ? ///

Returning once to an ongoing news topic is not 'PERSISTENTLY' returning to the same topic.

So perhaps you should knowledge yourself with the correct meaning of a word before taking up your usual stance as a loathsome troublemaker?

[sp1814]

AOG

Do you think the enquiry (if indeed you think there should be an enquiry) should be handled by the police or social services? Or perhaps a third party (like a judicial enquiry)?

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

I mentioned the fact because I thought in the last post some ABers were classing this case solely a Pakistani problem, when apparently it wasn't, but the fact remained that they all belonged to the Muslim faith, so perhaps it is more to do with the perpetrators religion rather than country of origin?

[LazyGun]

@FredPuli - Hypothetically, to extrapolate from a limited evidence base that ALL muslims males or ALL pakistani males are predisposed to be sexual predators of young vulnerable white girls would be logically incorrect, and serves only to demonise a culture, which is unfair, and which only adds to that cultures own sense of alienation and victimisation and a greater degree of xenophobia towards their whole culture. This is divisive, breaks down or impedes work to develop better community relations, and is therefore not a good thing, a fair thing, or even an accurate thing. All that such conclusions do is to feeds prejudice paranoia and xenophobia.

That is not to say however that we should not investigate whether some aspects of their culture or religion might allow them to more easily justify to themselves the actions they have taken. There is a comprehensive review of this right now, and early evidence suggests that this link is nor borne out by the evidence, but we shall have to wait and see.

[FredPuli43]

"Loathsome troublemaker". I say, be careful. All of us could be described as that,on occasion, aog, don't you agree?

Julie Siddiqi of the Islamic Society of Great Britain said that Muslims could no longer ignore the over-representation of British Pakistanis among groups of men found guilty of such offences [The Times] That's one thing that Muslims could enquire into.

Five out of he six girls abused were in Oxfordshire's care. One former resident told the jury that another child would walk out of the front door to be collected by older Asian males. [ibidem] Why then did nobody else notice and ask why? Who would let their own daughter be collected by older men, without question? Oxfordshire was in the position of parent.

A school support worker old the jury that "Nine out of ten social workers" in Oxford knew that young teenage girls were being groomed, with alcohol and drugs, by Asian men. What did this worker do with this knowledge or belief? [ibidem]

The whole thing cries out for an inquiry.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Do you think the enquiry (if indeed you think there should be an enquiry) should be handled by the police or social services? Or perhaps a third party (like a judicial enquiry)? ///

Perhaps an inquiry such as the one given for the Stephen Lawrence case?

[LazyGun]

Cannot argue with the conclusion that an inquiry is needed, Fred.

[Zeuhl]

/Perhaps an inquiry such as the one given for the Stephen Lawrence case? /

aog Why is that the most relevant example to this case?

or are you simply /persistently returning to the same topic /?

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// "Loathsome troublemaker". I say, be careful. All of us could be described as that,on occasion, aog, don't you agree? ////

No I disagree we don't all sit on our perches and be the first one to introduce ill feeling.

[FredPuli43]

It ought to be an Inquiry headed by a senior judge or retired judge. They could be assisted by a specialist child psychologist and senior head of social services; expert assistance is sometimes employed in commercial cases; but that is only of borderline merit.

aog, I don't think it's the religion. I think it's thinking of white girls as of a "different breed", to borrow your expression.

[Zeuhl]

But Fred

If a religion:

is founded on a principle that unbelievers are damned anyway;
and that religion's stereotype of 'ungodliness' matches the liberal behaviour of some 'unbelievers';
and the religion then represses the sexual expression of its followers

doesn't the religion have a case to answer?

[FredPuli43]

Yes, Zeuhl, and, if so, the Roman Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. It seems to fit your criteria

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// They could be assisted by a specialist child psychologist ///

In these cases I don't think it is a 'child' psychologist that is needed, but one for these mentally unhinged low life.

/// aog, I don't think it's the religion. I think it's thinking of white girls as of a "different breed", to borrow your expression. ///

Then In that case, the charge of racism should have been added to their list of crimes.