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Daft Post On Facebook - That's A Four Month Jail Sentence
A nutter who posted a stupid message on Facebook after the Lee Rigby murder, has been jailed for four months.
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Anyone agree this is a ridiculous conviction, and a waste of a valuable prison cell.
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Anyone agree this is a ridiculous conviction, and a waste of a valuable prison cell.
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As unbelievable as it sounds, there will be people out there even less intelligent than this dolt who will get hold of a gun and do something stupid because the idea has been planted - almost seen as an aproval to go ahead to serve the common ideological cause - a bit like the brainwashed extremists and suicide bombers.
/// Will this deter stupid people writing unthoughtout crap on FB and Twitter in future? I doubt it. ///
/// Will it be used as ammunition by the authorities to control the internet in future? Certainly. ///
It's not a matter of the authorities controlling the Internet, sites such as FB and Twitter should be self controlled, such postings would not be allowed on this site, but we don't complain that the authorities are controlling what we put.
/// Will it be used as ammunition by the authorities to control the internet in future? Certainly. ///
It's not a matter of the authorities controlling the Internet, sites such as FB and Twitter should be self controlled, such postings would not be allowed on this site, but we don't complain that the authorities are controlling what we put.
I have not read that his sentence includes denying him access to the internet or that he is not allowed a connection for a specified period in future. If the aim was to stop a dangerous person, then that should have been the main thrust of the sentence.
I agree with jno, the authorities are dishing out sentences not based on the potential or intent these individuals have to carry out their rants or 'jokes', but the sentence is to deter others from using it as a rallying point in any future disturbances.
AOG, Self control does not really work even here on AB. Personally, I would not have censorred your recent thread about foreigners 'polluting' us. I would have left it for others to make their mind up about the poster. But the Ed pulled it (or supported a moderator axing it) because he fears publishing anything that may incite illegal behaviour.
I agree with jno, the authorities are dishing out sentences not based on the potential or intent these individuals have to carry out their rants or 'jokes', but the sentence is to deter others from using it as a rallying point in any future disturbances.
AOG, Self control does not really work even here on AB. Personally, I would not have censorred your recent thread about foreigners 'polluting' us. I would have left it for others to make their mind up about the poster. But the Ed pulled it (or supported a moderator axing it) because he fears publishing anything that may incite illegal behaviour.
Its me and Gromit, shoulder to shoulder, against the AB world. Who'd have thought.
I've heard his views espoused a hundred times a day, on site or in the pub. They're shrugged off as so much hot air. Unfortunately,nowadays, they can be instantly memorialised for the serially offended to take offence.
Where will this sort of thing end. You're all, with one or two remarkable exceptions, intelligent,articulate people who think long and hard before you post. Still the wise and kindly moderators have to moderate. Imagine having the police knocking on your door as the result of a regrettable post.
I've heard his views espoused a hundred times a day, on site or in the pub. They're shrugged off as so much hot air. Unfortunately,nowadays, they can be instantly memorialised for the serially offended to take offence.
Where will this sort of thing end. You're all, with one or two remarkable exceptions, intelligent,articulate people who think long and hard before you post. Still the wise and kindly moderators have to moderate. Imagine having the police knocking on your door as the result of a regrettable post.
/Facebook and Twitter aren't really "sites" like AB - given the vast number of members each has/
/Nobody expects BT (eg) to monitor and censor every call made on its network/
Clearly, Facebook and twitter are sites like AB - they are just bigger.
Unlike the telephone system that contains person to person communications, AB, Fb and Twitter are 'media' and their operators are essentially 'publishers' who have successfully delegated provision of content to anyone who can sign up.
As such, they have to be ultimately responsible for their content just as a newspaper filters 'reader letters' and Broadcasters manage interviews, phone ins etc
AB editors and moderators do a good job managing that responsibility
If Fb and Twitter are on a scale that makes that difficult - then frankly; that is their problem.
/Nobody expects BT (eg) to monitor and censor every call made on its network/
Clearly, Facebook and twitter are sites like AB - they are just bigger.
Unlike the telephone system that contains person to person communications, AB, Fb and Twitter are 'media' and their operators are essentially 'publishers' who have successfully delegated provision of content to anyone who can sign up.
As such, they have to be ultimately responsible for their content just as a newspaper filters 'reader letters' and Broadcasters manage interviews, phone ins etc
AB editors and moderators do a good job managing that responsibility
If Fb and Twitter are on a scale that makes that difficult - then frankly; that is their problem.
Fred - I think the sort of muslims he'll meet in prison will do nothing but strengthen his prejudices - those he might meet on Community Service might challenge those prejudices a bit more don't you think?
I also don't think this can be catagorised as a 'regrettable post' it was threatening behavior clearly intended to intimidate on racial grounds.
Moreover those were credible threats that a reasonable person might think him capable of carrying out.
If he'd gone out after this and clubbed someone unconcious I think people would have asked why this was allowed to slide - don't you?
I also don't think this can be catagorised as a 'regrettable post' it was threatening behavior clearly intended to intimidate on racial grounds.
Moreover those were credible threats that a reasonable person might think him capable of carrying out.
If he'd gone out after this and clubbed someone unconcious I think people would have asked why this was allowed to slide - don't you?
today's case sees a defendant get off rather more lightly, with a suspended sentence. I think that's probably about right
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