Deaths On Brecon Beacons

[LoftyLottie]

This has really upset and worried me. I know they have to face terrible conditions in Afghanistan, etc., but surely there should have been more supervision and observation on a training exercise.

What do other ABers think

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/two-military-personnel-die-welsh-exercise-140343537.html#Feore4n

[Mamyalynne]

Daisya



//you may share your ID with your dad//

If you check profiles you will see that NOX's profile ID remains his own.

[jd_1984]

These were fit guys, used to pushing themselves physically and mentally. For their exhaustion to prove fatal means the levels the exercise supervisors pushed for were unrealisitic in light of the weather.
The SAS are not super heroes, just highly skilled and dedicated individuals. The mentality that these guys would have adopted would have been a "never quit, never give up" mind set. You dont give up, you dont say no and you dont stop. BUT this has killed them.

[Mamyalynne]

Triggs I think it is only the hundredth time the idea has been raised, getting a tad tedious now isn't it.

[daisya]

ummmm....typing styles are same...sorry but true but only my opinion even down to stylised form of writing (could be wrong but that's my conclusion).

As for OP this has upset me too and as has been said....it's a training exercise and should never be considered the same as "for real" in conditions. I've always thought they push training too far in the forces but that's just my opinion.

[Mamyalynne]

My apologies to LoftyLottie for my digression, but as I stated early on I won't comment until more details are known.

[daisya]

mamya I know what I feel/know but will not continue here.

[Mamyalynne]

Fair enough.

[ummmm]

Sorry to Nox if he looks in but Shar doesn't make no where near as many typos.

As she has been home schooled her whole life who do expect she would sound like?

[daisya]

No trigger...it's down to seeing how things are. (Sorry Lottie)...that's it for me here.

[ummmm]

You have it wrong though, Daisya.

[jd_1984]

I am confused by the digressions, as one often is when they visit a post which has been going some time.......
Did we have a consensus on this issue?

[EcclesCake]

I've been following this thread all along with great interest and wonder how many contributors have first hand or at least close knowledge of the modern military???

[daisya]

eccles I don't have first hand of the goings on of the military but I have my opinions as do the rest of us. How can anyone train people to the point of death...that is beyond me? Train yes of course, but endurance and how it suits all should be taken into consideration IMO.

[pixie373]

If the purpose was to train them, they failed miserably

[daisya]

They sure did pixie!

[jd_1984]

My cousin has completed his 14 weeks basic this year. My uncle is a retired RAF officer with 30 years experience in the armed forces. My knowledge comes from them but we havent spoken about this issue, no doubt they will have a good insight. Everybody will have an opinion and that is their right. But its those that have first hand experience that I form my views on, if I havent been there and done it myself

[daisya]

jd - yes all have their opinion and entitled to it......each think they are right....who knows who is right or wrong? I just FEEL....death is not an option on training....why should it be?

[LoftyLottie]

Not only to you raise this issue on my thread Daisy, but then you open another post. I am not going to report your comments - I shall let them stand. But I will add that a very intelligent man like Nox is likely to have a daughter who is articulate and intelligent and as she is home educated has access to the internet.

I believe your other post has gone which is a good thing.