Tomlinson Death - Police Apologise Agter 4 Yrs

[Peter Pedant]

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Newspaper reports that the Tomlinson case would be settled with a private npayment seems justified.

Inquest jury found that the death was unlawful

Jury trial of a policeman for manslaughter ended in acquittal.

This was a case marked by early lying by the authorities,
and then a video of Iam tomlinson's being pushed turned up by an America tourist.

Family comment - this is just about as far as we will get....

Another Victory for British Justice - huh

[Baldric]

Got a link?

[emmie]

perhaps not justice, but the policeman was sacked

http://news.sky.com/story/1124627/ian-tomlinsons-family-agree-deal-with-police

[Sharingan]

I think the family have it in one, it is about as far as they will ever get. Poor people. I personally thought the acquittal was not only a joke but also sent out entirely the wrong message to every other policeman who thought he might be able to over reach his remit. A very bad call all in all :(

[jno]

how many policemen have ever been convicted of unlawful killing? You can be shot for carrying a table leg if the police have a mind to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Stanley

[Sqad]

I think that is a very satisfactory outcome..........the medical evidence based on the post mortem findings was mixed, questionable and astonishing.

That blow, as shown in videos and on TV could never, in my opinion, ruptured the liver if Ian Tomlinson ans subsequently caused his death.

[emmie]

how many police have been killed in the line of duty, something to think about when you are criticising the few rogues in the force. In every walk of life there are good and bad elements, you can't have all good or all bad, some slip in and stay there till they slip up, he was sacked, so that was at least one rogue policeman gone.

[Peter Pedant]

Sqad - Freddie Whatsit the pathologist lost his licence over not erm cutting up Ian T properly.

that of course brought in reasonable doubt
but also explains why the finding were in your words incredible

[mikey4444]

The inquest found that Tomlinson had been unlawfully killed. The court case against the policeman, that the Police themselves had to be dragged kicking and screaming into, ended in aquittal.

So if Tomlinson was killed but the policeman didn't do it, who exactly did then ?

Justice ?

[mikey4444]

A very satisfactory outcome sqad ? Really ? For who exactly ?

[emmie]

Father-of-nine Mr Tomlinson, a heavy drinker who had slept rough for a number of years, walked 75 yards before he collapsed. So his condition may not have been good to start with, no excuses, the policeman was completely wrong. An apology and a large payment is the least the family should have expected.

[Sqad]

mikey..........for justice.

[mikey4444]

You are right emmie....the policeman was completely wrong but not wrong enough apparently....


"It also emerged during Mr Tomlinson's inquest that PC Harwood had faced a series of allegations, including unlawful arrest, abuse of authority and discreditable conduct after being involved in what was described as a "road rage" incident while he was off-duty.

PC Harwood was allowed to retire on medical grounds in 2001 before a disciplinary hearing over that incident took place.

However, the officer rejoined the Met in late 2004 as part of its territorial support group specialising in public order. Scotland Yard's vetting unit had considered the road rage incident, but had not reviewed the full file "

[bazwillrun]

"An apology and a large payment is the least the family should have expected. "

why do they need a "large" payment ? how does that help with anything ?

[emmie]

because the police were negligent, dragged their heels, obfuscated and generally played the innocent...

[LazyGun]

@ Sqad

"I think that is a very satisfactory outcome..........the medical evidence based on the post mortem findings was mixed, questionable and astonishing.

That blow, as shown in videos and on TV could never, in my opinion, ruptured the liver if Ian Tomlinson ans subsequently caused his death."

3 post-mortems carried out, Sqad. The first by an incompetent later struck off by the GMC.Someone whose quality of work had already been called into question.

The additional post-mortems - one carried out at the behest of the IPCC and the family, the second at the behests of the Met., arrived at the same conclusion;

"An inquest opened on 9 April with Paul Matthews as the coroner, and a second postmortem, ordered jointly by the IPCC and Tomlinson's family, was carried out that day by Dr Nathaniel Cary, known for his work on high-profile cases.[52] He found that Tomlinson had died because of internal bleeding from blunt force trauma to the abdomen, in association with cirrhosis of the liver.[53] He concluded that Tomlinson had fallen on his elbow, which he said "impacted in the area of his liver causing an internal bleed which led to his death a few minutes later.

Now, with the greatest of respect to your skills, I am going to favour the 2 reports that concur, conducted by reputable pathologists who actually had a chance to see and review the evidence, rather than your own opinion - one you have arrived at without actually being able to review the evidence personally...

[LazyGun]

Oh, and to answer PPs point- I think it a sad day for british justice, personally.

[Sqad]

Lazygun....I respect your opinion.

My recall of that final post mortem showed blood and fluid in the peritoneal cavity, but no obvious rupture of the liver......I stand to be corrected.

[jno]

how many police have been killed in the line of duty, something to think about when you are criticising the few rogues in the force

Anyone killing a cop should face justice - and so should any cop who kills an innocent person.

Unfortunately the case of PC Blakelock suggests the police want someone to pay but don't much care who it is, which is why the wrong man was jailed and it's taken them nealy 30 years to come up with another suspect. A killer has been loose on the streets since 1985, thanks to their misbehaviour.

[Sqad]

LazyGun

\\\3 post-mortems carried out, Sqad. The first by an incompetent later struck off by the GMC.Someone whose quality of work had already been called into question. \\\\

Let us take the first post mortem, a high profile case, performed by a Home office Patholgist (although subsequently struck off for incompetence)...didn't spot blood in the peritoneal cavity and a ruptured or damaged liver?

That bears some swallowing for UK Forensic Pathology.

Then after immense media speculation, subsequent post mortems "suddenly" find blood in the peritoneal cavity from a damaged and abnormal liver.
So does one assume that the corpse bled between post postmortem one and post mortem ?

I reiterate my comment from my first post:

\\\the medical evidence based on the post mortem findings was mixed, questionable and astonishing. \\\

[emmie]

you nor anyone outside of the police, and indeed those who were involved know who killed PC Blakelock, a man died being hacked to pieces by up to 50 assailants, wielding knives, machetes, he died horribly, where has been his and his families justice.