Has This Type Of Thing Always Happened, Or Are Some Of Today's Kids Becoming More Violent?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384792/Korean-War-veteran-Barney-Alcock-81-beaten-yobs-outside-home.html

[ummmm]

You only have to watch programmes like The Tudors and The White Queen to see how blood thirsty we once were. These people were rich...goodness knows what the poor got up to...

[Orderlimit]

Another appalling offence.

Bolton: 87-Year-Old Beaten Senseless in Own Bedroom, 23 yr old arrested.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/496898/20130805/bolton-pensioner-attacked-stroke-serious-hospital-man.htm

[anotheoldgit]

Octavius

/// Do you think my young girls should autoatically be scared of the police? ///

Yes if they are doing wrong.

[Sharingan]

Once again it's fun for certain people on here to blame the 'youth of today' etc and bang on about ' wasn't it wonderful in the good old days of being terrified of the police'- so what about all these long dead villains then, who don't appear to be particularly unusual? I don't know anyone who wears an ' anti garotting collar' now, do you?
http://www.victorianlondon.org/crime/representations.htm

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// No, I wouldn't want to go back to those days for anything. For every lovely story about how "we could play out on the streets without fear", I hear the sad tale of someone afraid to leave those streets and return home to their family and parents who would beat them for breaking a hot glass dish because the oven gloves had a hole in. Return to that sort of idea of life? Never. We're well rid of it. ///

I don't know what kind of childhood you had Jim but, how many children were free to play in the streets and roam the countryside, in relation to how many children would be afraid to go home because they had broken a glass dish?

I can never remember any, but I knew loads who played in the streets and roamed the countryside.

[Octavius]

Again, AOG you massage my words, where have I mentioned them doing anything wrong?

The example given was that as a young girl in the fifties, she was scared of the police, even though she knew she had done nothing wrong.

Is that right?

[jim360]

Given that what often happens at home stays at home, that people didn't tell you doesn't mean it didn't happen.Something typical of the past is that people were much more guarded about their private lives.

The two groups of children happy to play on the streets, and potentially scared to go home, aren't mutually exclusive either.

At to my own childhood -- well, my parents fought as hard as they could to keep me away from video games and computers until I was about 14. I don't think that makes me a better person than those children who were allowed to play such games, or a worse one either. I do think that it's utterly wrong to pretend that society is on some kind of terminal decline. No. The society you grew up in is on a terminal decline. It remains to be seen whether or not that is a good thing. Like all changes, there are benefits and disadvantages.

[anotheoldgit]

Sharingan

So you have to go back to Victorian London in defence of some of today's youngsters beating to pulp a 81 year man.

And who said "wasn't it wonderful in the good old days of being terrified of the police"?

Oh you have so much to learn young lady.

[jim360]

Oh, do stop being such a patronising git.

[Octavius]

Ewww, that was a little creepy.

AOG, when were these good times? I have often asked you what afternoon, of which day, of which month, and of which year you are always referring back to as your halcyon era - and always without answer.

[hc4361]

Francis Rattenbury was murdered over 70 years ago by his wife's teenage lover, in Dorset.

[hc4361]

Sidney Fox murdered his 69 year old mother in the 1920s

[Octavius]

Margaret Allen of Lancashire battered 68 year old Nancy Ellen Chadwick to death with a hammer after she came round to borrow a cup of sugar in August 1948.

[anotheoldgit]

Octavius

/// Again, AOG you massage my words, where have I mentioned them doing anything wrong? ///

I was not massaging your words, it is you that is doing the massaging of words.

Did I say 'your' daughters did any wrong?

NO, but what i did say is here for all to see, you asked /// Do you think my young girls should autoatically be scared of the police? ///

To which I answered, "Yes if they are doing wrong". IF, IF, IF, not "they are doing wrong".

You then went on to massage viv38's words also, who put: "I wasn't so scared that I wet myself with fear whenever one came within a yard of me, just scared enough to respect their authority and stay on the straight and narrow".

To which you put:

/// The example given was that as a young girl in the fifties, she was scared of the police, even though she knew she had done nothing wrong. ///

[AB Editor]

Did you ever get around to reading this AOG?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/books/dp/0141034645

It's a complete history of violence and it goes to great pains to back up every one of its assertions. You'd find it answers many of your questions regarding trends of violence.

[Octavius]

AOG, I was quoting Kathyan.

Anyhow, so naturally, children should NOT be scared of the police, is what you are saying.

[anotheoldgit]

Amazing, absolutely amazing, I post a news item where a gang of today's youngsters beat up a 81 year man, then what happens? Do some condemn this horrible cowedly act, no they get out their history books in a vain attempt to excuse these modern day sadistic yobs, by providing examples of those yesterday crimes that they earlier said we never heard anything about because we didn't have the news sources of today.

Do you realise how ridiculous all this is, no one is suggesting that 'yesterday' was crime free, but what is certain that some of today's kids are more violent than they were, 80 years ago.

[jim360]

Of course some of today's kids are more violent than they were 80 years ago. Most of them hadn't even been born then.

If you want me to condemn this action I will of course. But if you attach it to some crass point about societal decline that will get my attention. You shouldn't need me to have to say that I find this incident abhorrent.

[Octavius]

AOG, when you ask: Has This Type Of Thing Always Happened, Or Are Some Of Today's Kids Becoming More Violent?

What do you expect but a debate on the histrocity of juvenile crimes against the elderly? There is no excusing such modern day crimes, no more than the crimes against the unfortuates in your time that were too afraid to speak or report crimes against them merely because they were black, gay, female, old or young.

[ummmm]

It's the title of the thread that prompted the type of responses you received, as you well know.