Does Anyone Oppose This Bill?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/09/tory-mps-ban-burqa-bill-reaches-parliament

/// The bill states that "a person wearing a garment or other object intended by the wearer as its primary purpose to obscure the face in a public place shall be guilty of an offence." It adds that "where members of the public are licensed to access private premises for the purposes of the giving or receiving of goods or services, it shall not be an offence for the owner...to request that a person wearing a garment or other object intended to obscure the face remove such garment or object; or to require that a person refusing a request...leave the premises." ///

I look forward to the debate both on here and also in Parliament.

[andy-hughes]

Oh, and a matter of perception does not make you a racist Svejk, of course it doesn't.

Saying a culture appears oppressed is a rational point of view.

Saying a culture IS oppressed because I say it is and it's my job to oppose it because it's wrong and not how i live, and should be altered to my way - is racist.

A massive difference i am sure you will agree.

[Khandro]

A long time ago when I lived in Paris, there was a large Muslim population present but one never saw women wearing burkhas at all. I think it has become politicised and is not really anything to do with religion.

[emmie]

we live in a democracy last time i looked, people have come from countries that have autocratic rule, one would hope in time they will see that what they left behind was outdated, and moved somewhere that is in fact welcoming, but if you sit in your little bubble, don't know your fellow creatures in that country, their faiths, their ideas, ideologies, how they work, how will you become part of that society.

[emmie]

khadro, then there must be lots of politicised women in the capital and round the country, it has for what it's worth become more prominent in society.

[sp1814]

emmie

There's also a danger that they will notice that way too many of our young girls dress like whores when they go out for the night.

[emmie]

how do you know how whores dress, know any?

[emmie]

i suspect not, you really should see the double standards in what you say, calling some British girls whores on how they dress, yet don't care that some women are wearing a burkha, veil, odd that.

[ummmm]

I'm sure he would have if he owns a TV.

[douglas9401]

Oh sp1814, your veneer of tolerance and inclusivity has a chip in it.

[emmie]

tv dramas don't necessarily show how ladies of the night shall we say dress, i have known women who were high class escorts, their dress sense would put most models to shame, i have also come across girls who plied their trade on the streets, and wouldn't be seen in laddered tights, short skirts.

[emmie]

de rigueur in my day, as were hot pants, low cut top, flower power, bells and whatnots around your head, neck, and that was just the blokes.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D73yJ2zjsgE/TyHDdiMqvbI/AAAAAAAAAJA/BJrAIJFwG70/s640/mini-skirt1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://lamodeenchantee.blogspot.com/2012/01/fashion-icon-mary-quant-miniskirt.html&h=407&w=619&sz=135&tbnid=prd2SJZRJCFjjM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=131&;zoom=1&usg=__zc9uNYVioiMFPyk3KsB7b6SoE7M=&docid=nNC85y0zOEQ0QM&sa=X&;ei=WM0tUtnyI8PE7AbBuYGoBA&ved=0CFQQ9QEwCg&dur=413

[sp1814]

emmie

Some of our girls dress like whores.

Fact.

[emmie]

and you many many whores do you?

[emmie]

that missed out the word "know"

[emmie]

so whilst you are quite happy to accuse some women as dressing like whores, yet blatantly say you don't care how anyone dresses, men in skull caps, a yarmulke, or women with burkha and veils. so one bothers you the other doesn't.

[ummmm]

Gosh...he didn't say it bothered him. He stated it as fact.

[sp1814]

emmie

Over the past decade or so, cultural reference points have shifted so that a small minority of young women look to Amy Child and Katie Price fashion role models.

Now, these young ladies are certainly not whores, but the style cues they employ (micro skirt, no underwear, fake tan, breasts like bowling balls) have now seeped onto the high street.

Do you remember what young women used to look like at Aintree 20 years ago?

Wanna know what they look like now?

By the way, it may sound like I'm making a judgement call...but I'm not. I'm simply saying that a minority of British women are doing exactly what their burkha-wearing sisters are doing...dressing exclusively for men.

Other women aren't interested in acres of flesh, short skirts and big boobs.

Men are.

[sp1814]

Yes emmie...I couldn't give a crap if a woman dresses like a ***. I'm gay - so I couldn't care less.

[emmie]

if it doesn't bother anyone, why would they state it, it has no bearing on the actual question, and unless he knows any ladies of the night, suggest his eyesight needs a bit of revision.

and if women can wear what they want when they want, as is suggested, why would you label them in such a fashion.