Oh No Here We Go Again.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421012/Two-Coronation-Street-stars-caught-bed-young-girls-hotel-room.html

I wonder how long it will be before Coronation Street is taken from our screens, due to the lack of actors?

[naomi24]

//They have only proven there is not enough evidence to convict him. //

What's 'enough evidence'? How much evidence does it take? It seems to me there is no evidence at all. If there were, he'd have been convicted. Poor sod! He's been through all that and still people are saying he's guilty!

[viv38]

Gets on your wick doesn't it Naomi ?!

[naomi24]

Viv, it does ... it really does! Who needs judge and jury when you have AnswerBank!!

[pixie373]

Enough evidence is to prove the case "beyond reasonable doubt". There may be some suspicion/uncertainty, but not enough to know someone is guilty. I am not suggesting he did anything wrong, I really wouldn't know. Just that the court has to be reasonably certain to convict and all that's been "proven", in the truest sense, is that they weren't sure enough.

[anotheoldgit]

pixie373

/// They have only proven there is not enough evidence to convict him. That may be because he is innocent. It may be because there is not enough evidence- ///

Oh so cleared of all charges due to lack of evidence then?

I don't think that was the verdict, do you?

[viv38]

Very true Naomi, very true .... !

[DJHawkes]

lol it's a sportsman's paradise, they have dune racing and frisbee competitions, wowza

[DJHawkes]

lol this should be in another thread

[viv38]

Ha ha you have lightened the mood DJ !

[naomi24]

Pixie, it wasn't a case of being not sure enough - the jury wasn't sure at all. That's why they brought in a verdict of 'not guilty'.

[ummmm]

I haven't seen anyone say they think he's guilty.

[naomi24]

No, but you consistently cast doubt on his innocence.

[pixie373]

They have to be sure "beyond reasonable doubt". They weren't. That's all we know and isn't the same as "we're 100% sure he didn't do it."
That's the same for anyone in Court, not just Michael le Vell. It isn't personal, just the way the court system works.

[sp1814]

Mr Le Vell has been found not guilty of these charges in a court of law.

Full stop.

End of story.

None of us was in court, so none of us can second guess the jury.

There is only one guilty party in this story, and it's the press.

Look how the now cravenly say, "Oh, his reputation was besmirched", when they were doing the besmirching.

With the judicious placement of a couple of inverted commas, they ran front page stories like this (see second story down):

http://themediablog.typepad.com/

Their subsequent hypocrisy is sickening.

As too is my spelling of 'hypocrisy' (literally have no idea how it's spelled).

[Zeuhl]

/The guy has been told he is not guilty, therefore accordingly proven by law he did not do anything wrong. i.e. he is innocent of any crime./

No.

British courts do not 'prove' innocence or 'not doing anything wrong'

That's why the legal verdict is 'Not Guilty' not 'Innocent'

Without a Guity verdict, innocence might be 'assumed' but that's all; it is not proven.

If evidence of 'innocence' is revealed e.g. irrefutable forensics that show an accused couldn't possibly have done it then the case is dismissed - not taken to a 'Not Guilty'

Clearly in LeVell's case there was little or no evidence to substantiate Guilty or 'Innocent' hence a Not Guilty verdict

[viv38]

Agree totally about the press sp.

[pixie373]

You explained that much better than i did, zeuhl!

[anotheoldgit]

pixie373

/// You explained that much better than i did, zeuhl! ///

But still wrong, else the verdict would have been, "cleared of all charges due to lack of evidence".

[anotheoldgit]

Funny how these 'non-stories' seem to attract so many posts.

[Svejk]

Sadly, some women do accuse totally innocent men of rape,etc.
I know a woman who's accused her last 5 or 6 boyfriends of rape. The police were obliged to arrest all the men involved. What I'm saying is, sometimes there is smoke without fire.