The Tories Getting Britain Back To Work ?

[DrFilth]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/15/ryan-norman-benefits_n_3930846.html?ncid=webmail1

[DrFilth]

Mr Cameron said > There would also be training courses for those unemployed for more than six months - with benefits cut if they refused to take the offer up. <

what training course should ryan go on ?

[naomi24]

No one is asking Ryan to go on a training course, and it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise simply because you don’t like the Tories. At the age of 20 he is now classed as an adult, and therefore moves into a different category. I doubt that system has changed since this government came into office. The spokesman for the DWP said:

"Disabled adults often have different support needs to children, and this is reflected in the different benefits available to people when they reach adulthood.

"Employment and support allowance is a benefit for adults who are too ill or disabled to work. To apply for it, someone just needs to fill out a form and provide some medical evidence.

"If we are given all the information we need to enable us to make a decision, there is often no need for a face to face assessment."

Granted, communication between HMRC, who deal with children’s benefits, and the DWP who deal with adult benefits, could be better, but I suspect that’s nothing new. To expedite the transition his mother needs to stop complaining and spend her time more productively by providing the information requested immediately. Had she dealt with it earlier, perhaps the wait they are now experiencing could have been avoided.

[Gromit]

Universal Credit is turning into this Governments Community Charge.
Perceived as unfair and unjust, unpopular, and not saving the Government anywhere near the amount of money it was supposed to.

[Old_Geezer]

It's a bad system for someone known genuine for years find the change is not seamless and has their benefits stopped for the duration.

I suspect the Tory connection in the OP is two fold. They are the ones in power and so should get the flak for stuff still not put right ; and they are claiming they are doing (or avoiding doing) the right things to get the economy back. (But that may have taken a hit when I hear that the Liberals as saying they should be part of the next government too as only they can sort the economy out, implying the present government has no confidence it'll be sorted by them by 2015.)

[factor-fiction]

I read it that they are still filling the forms in so I'm not sure what the issue is- nothing seems to have changed to me. Maybe if they'd done it earlier it would have been sorted by now.

[youngmafbog]

Only if you are a steaming pinko Gromit.

Those without rose tinted spectacles who don't take the ostrich approach realize something needs doing.

[youngmafbog]

Strange, When I, or other 'righties' post a tenuous link allthe left jump down our throats saying what an awful post, and yet here, where clealry the link has no connection to the Tories (for the reasons pointed out by Naomi) nothing is said !!

[jim360]

Something may need doing, but is Universal Credit really that something? Not at the moment, despite IDS assurances that "the problems have been fixed" they are nowhere near fixed.

The benefits system needs changing and something like UC could well be the right way forward. The biggest flaw at the moment is the speed at which it is being implemented. Quite simply, IDS is trying to go too fast.

[jim360]

Having read the article I'd tend to agree with Naomi's points, though -- at most this is an administrative communications issue and something that was to be expected. Things have changed a fair bit since 2010, but one of the strengths of a UC-like system is that there would be hopefully less of this sort of mess, where transitions between benefits correspond to transitions between different groups. Currently Housing Benefit is council-administered (each council with its own rules), and Tax Credits and Child Benefits by HMRC, and the rest mostly by the DWP. Universal Credit brings this all together in the same system, but that's not at all an easy thing to achieve. Again, the biggest problem is trying to achieve it so quickly.

On the face of it, though, this case can't really be blamed on the government. ESA was introduced by Labour anyway.

[emmie]

not true about ESA, you don't just fill in a form and away you go, nor indeed is there only one type of ESA, you can get it, and put in the work programme, or get it an be someone who will not be fit for work. And i have seen people in wheelchairs, wheeled into ATOS disabled and clearly not fit in any shape of form. Having also dealt with a tribunal myself i can testify to sheer mind numbing fear.

[DrFilth]

emmie > And i have seen people in wheelchairs, wheeled into ATOS disabled and clearly not fit in any shape of form. <

emmie i would imagine some of the experts on here have never seen or even had to deal with the dwp or atos

people who have to live week to week or month to month have no spare cash so have lots of other problems when the bills come in.