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An absolute disgrace.
This judge should be reprimanded.
An absolute disgrace.
This judge should be reprimanded.
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It is a disgrace - but not because Mark Duggan was a gangster, or that he was shot by police to protect themselves and the public.
It is a disgrace because the judge is demonstrating quite clearly the impartiality in his approach which is the essence of our legal system is clearly absent.
The judge has no right to draw attention to any aspect of the inquest in advance of evidence being heard - it shows clear bias, albeit a bias borne from sorrow at the loss of a young man and father, which is a tragedy in any circumstances.
So yes, it is a disgrace, I agree, but I would be interested to hear why you think so baz - and if you agree with me.
It is a disgrace because the judge is demonstrating quite clearly the impartiality in his approach which is the essence of our legal system is clearly absent.
The judge has no right to draw attention to any aspect of the inquest in advance of evidence being heard - it shows clear bias, albeit a bias borne from sorrow at the loss of a young man and father, which is a tragedy in any circumstances.
So yes, it is a disgrace, I agree, but I would be interested to hear why you think so baz - and if you agree with me.
Why is it a disgrace as a matter of fact? it is certainly unusual, but he was asked by the victim's family, which puts him in a difficult position.
The fact that a young person lost their life here is not in question. I don't think anyone attending the inquest is in any doubt why they are there.
So odd maybe, but "disgrace" is overdoing it I think.
The fact that a young person lost their life here is not in question. I don't think anyone attending the inquest is in any doubt why they are there.
So odd maybe, but "disgrace" is overdoing it I think.
"it is certainly unusual, but he was asked by the victim's family"
why did the family ask for this in court...are they trying to get sympathy for their cause ?
so he had to comply...couldnt he of declined their request
cant he think for himself ?
lucky they werent muslims and all asked to wear full face coverings, no doubt he would have allowed that as well
why did the family ask for this in court...are they trying to get sympathy for their cause ?
so he had to comply...couldnt he of declined their request
cant he think for himself ?
lucky they werent muslims and all asked to wear full face coverings, no doubt he would have allowed that as well
"but he was asked by the victim's family, which puts him in a difficult position"
not in the least
if he had any balls he could have had it explained to them why their "request" couldnt be accomodated
he is showing an element of bias, and should not be allowed to carry on with this case, but no doubt nothing will be done or said.
so what happens now when any other low lifes family come to an inquest and make the same request ?
not in the least
if he had any balls he could have had it explained to them why their "request" couldnt be accomodated
he is showing an element of bias, and should not be allowed to carry on with this case, but no doubt nothing will be done or said.
so what happens now when any other low lifes family come to an inquest and make the same request ?
would have made one post but have other things to do...
now where was I ?
This smacks of a clear attempt to try and get a favourable outcome, so that if the police are found in any way to blame for taking this scum off the streets they will be able to sue for compensation.
Next theyll all be saying how wonderful he was and they didnt know what he was and had been up to for years.
Quite honestly I think the family some of whom must have known exactly what he was really like have a bare faced cheek in making this request.
Its not as if he was a fine upstanding member of the community.
What would you reaction have been if you were there in the court ?
I would have walked out, no question, assuming i would have been allowed to.
To show what amounts to respect for someone of this ilk is totally disgraceful and this judge should be ashamed of himself
now where was I ?
This smacks of a clear attempt to try and get a favourable outcome, so that if the police are found in any way to blame for taking this scum off the streets they will be able to sue for compensation.
Next theyll all be saying how wonderful he was and they didnt know what he was and had been up to for years.
Quite honestly I think the family some of whom must have known exactly what he was really like have a bare faced cheek in making this request.
Its not as if he was a fine upstanding member of the community.
What would you reaction have been if you were there in the court ?
I would have walked out, no question, assuming i would have been allowed to.
To show what amounts to respect for someone of this ilk is totally disgraceful and this judge should be ashamed of himself
"it would be seen as removing his impartiality - which indeed it has. "
Possibly. I don't necessarily disagree, but it's an inquest not a trial and the bottom line is it's a moment's silence for a death.
More likely it is a gesture which is likely to lead to accusations of impartiality, which is not quite the same thing tho' I agree not ideal
Possibly. I don't necessarily disagree, but it's an inquest not a trial and the bottom line is it's a moment's silence for a death.
More likely it is a gesture which is likely to lead to accusations of impartiality, which is not quite the same thing tho' I agree not ideal
inquest = establish the cause of a premature death
No crime in progress (that I'm aware of) was established until slightly after he'd been shot, so, if innocent until proven guilty was the state of play at time of death then I see nothing inappropriate about a small tribute at the inquest.
I know nothing of Duggan's personal history. All I know is that he ended up lying down in the back seat of a car and yet somehow managed to throw a pistol over his shoulder, through a car window, some considerable distance into a nearby playing field. Quite an achievement. I trust there will be a re-enactment of that although I doubt the appropriate adrenaline levels would be achievable without the element of genuine peril. Perhaps has the makings of a new athletics event.
No crime in progress (that I'm aware of) was established until slightly after he'd been shot, so, if innocent until proven guilty was the state of play at time of death then I see nothing inappropriate about a small tribute at the inquest.
I know nothing of Duggan's personal history. All I know is that he ended up lying down in the back seat of a car and yet somehow managed to throw a pistol over his shoulder, through a car window, some considerable distance into a nearby playing field. Quite an achievement. I trust there will be a re-enactment of that although I doubt the appropriate adrenaline levels would be achievable without the element of genuine peril. Perhaps has the makings of a new athletics event.
youngmafbog - "So you are saying the Police murdered Duggan are you? You presumably would have liked him in Jail for 2 years and out again to continue his activities?"
The inference of your post is that it would be preferable for Duggan to be murdered by the police than serve a short sentence and potentially re-offend - is that what you think?
The inference of your post is that it would be preferable for Duggan to be murdered by the police than serve a short sentence and potentially re-offend - is that what you think?
andy-hughes
/// The inference of your post is that it would be preferable for Duggan to be murdered by the police than serve a short sentence and potentially re-offend - is that what you think? ///
It would have been more fair for you to attack Gromit rather than youngmafbog, since it was he who accused the police of murder, but then that would have been like criticising one of your own and that would never do.
/// The inference of your post is that it would be preferable for Duggan to be murdered by the police than serve a short sentence and potentially re-offend - is that what you think? ///
It would have been more fair for you to attack Gromit rather than youngmafbog, since it was he who accused the police of murder, but then that would have been like criticising one of your own and that would never do.
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