Why Would You Bother Taking This Stuff In The First Place?

[dave50]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2473060/Get-body-Cries-car-welder-30-taking-Dr-Death-drug-killed-friend-21-30-minutes-other.html

I dont understand the mentality. What's wrong with just having a few beers?

[Gromit]

8,790 people drank themselves to death last year. But you don't get moralising reports in the Daily Mail about those.

[youngmafbog]

Not on 1 pint they didnt Gromit.

Apples and Pears ?

[Gromit]

ymb

The 8,790 overdosed on it. Like the couple did on their drug.

[IggyB]

On their cocktail of several drugs and alcohol according to the report

[AB Editor]

Drugs might me getting scarier: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460854/Krokodil-Two-sisters-claim-proof-Russian-flesh-eating-drug-used-U-S.html

[jno]

is that a drug, or a form of TNT?

[youngmafbog]

gromit, I still think you are stretching a point.

8,790 did not overdose on it in one night. It really is not the same.

[Nibble]

Now that's scary, Ed, I think I'll pass on that.

[jno]

8790 in a year is 24 a day or one each hour. That sounds like quite a problem.

[jake-the-peg]

I think you're missing Gromits point

I don't drink

I wonder why you'd 'bother drinking in the first place'

After all the violence behind drinking, deaths from it, drunk drivers etc.

But that's not *you* is it - you'd not get schlerosis, or liver cancer or thump someone while drunk

I dare say most drug addicts think it wont happen to them - or dont care if it does

The drugs are different the mentality is similar


The question was about the mentality

Dave doesn't have the ability to put himself mentally in the shoes of a drug addict - can't understand

Sometimes if you can't understand an analogy is useful and alcohol is an analogy

[doctordb]

'the drugs are different the mentality is similar' - I don't agree jake.
Having used drugs in my past I can testify that the thought process and reasoning for my actions were not similar to that of drinking alcohol.

[doctordb]

Gromits analogy doesn't work for me either. We're he to compare the deaths to those who had died as the result of a binge or a reaction to the toxins then I think he would have point.
The vast majority of the 8,790 would have been drinking over a long sustained period of years and will have died as a result slow degradation. Their reasons and motivations for drinking are not comparable to that of the thrill seeking drug taker.

As for dave's question, it's hard to explain.

[ludwig]

I think what Dave's saying is there's no immediate risk in having a few beers.

However, when you take something like the substance here, there's always an element of 'russian roulette' about it, and he's wondering why people would consider such a gamble to be worth it.

Gromit and jake both make valid points though.

[LazyGun]

In England/Wales, during 2010/11, There were 20,000 recorded admissions due to alcohol poisoning, or 350 cases per week, which is directly attributed to reckless overconsumption in a very short space of time - binge drinking.

In 2010 alone, in England and Wales, there were 188 deaths directly attributable to alcohol poisoning, or binge drinking.

And whilst I fully accept the coroners comments regarding the dangers of drug abuse, and the dangers represented by this drug, I also note that much of the danger comes from the poor quality control in its manufacture.

And you also have to take into account the quantity and range of substances these 2 had taken during the evening. Large quantities of alcohol and cocaine, to name just 2. So its doubtful that their deaths, however tragic, can be attributed solely to the use of PMA.

Personally, I would be leery of taking anything called Dr. Death, but others commenting here are right - there is amongst the young a belief in their own immortality - that nothing can happen to them, but sadly at least some of them are going to be proven wrong.

[ludwig]

// I would be leery of taking anything called Dr. Death, //

Yep, there's definitely a bit of a clue in the name.

[joeluke]

Got zero sympathy for people like this, play with fire and you risk getting burnt