'Abuse' What Does It Mean To You?
Society & Culture2 mins ago
Queue Here To Work In The Uk.....
For NHS Midwifes, Bar-staff, fast-food-firms and Butchers etc.
I know its the Daily Mail but the recruitment notices look real.
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I know its the Daily Mail but the recruitment notices look real.
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The UK has a massive shortage of midwives:
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Even if we immediately increased the amount of training (which there are no funds to do anyway) it would be many years before we'd have a sufficient number.
Other countries have many midwives who can't find work and who are
(a) trained to at least UK standards ; and
(b) able to speak good English.
The obvious solution is to recruit suitably-qualified midwives from overseas, giving preference to those who have an automatic right to work here anyway (i.e. EU citizens) over those who would have to seek special treatment (such as Indians or Australians).
It makes sense to me!
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Even if we immediately increased the amount of training (which there are no funds to do anyway) it would be many years before we'd have a sufficient number.
Other countries have many midwives who can't find work and who are
(a) trained to at least UK standards ; and
(b) able to speak good English.
The obvious solution is to recruit suitably-qualified midwives from overseas, giving preference to those who have an automatic right to work here anyway (i.e. EU citizens) over those who would have to seek special treatment (such as Indians or Australians).
It makes sense to me!
why is there a shortage of NHS midwives, that does seem odd to me, however should we be recruiting from Romania for them, shouldn't we be looking in house, in UK, i get very worried when health professionals are recruited from places where English is not widely spoken, and seeing as how the interaction is needed between patient and staff member, and that should be a decent standard of English. Going on many i have come across who worked in the NHS including hospitals that has not always been the case.
This subject has been debated here on AB many times before, and the facts do not change. These people are over here in Britain to work, and the vast majority do exactly that. If there weren't any vacancies to fill, they would go somewhere else.
As long as we, as a nation are content for millions of Brits to stay at home, claiming the dole and other benefits, instead of working, the situation isn't going to change any time soon. The DM can rant and rage as much as it likes but that is the situation.
About 15 years ago, one of my brothers went to work as a brickie in Germany for 2 years, in exactly the same circumstances...there was no employment opportunities here at home, so he went where the work was, as people have done since time immemorial.
The DM is just using the impending arrival of another group of workers, to keep the pot of racism and xenophobia simmering away on the stove.
As long as we, as a nation are content for millions of Brits to stay at home, claiming the dole and other benefits, instead of working, the situation isn't going to change any time soon. The DM can rant and rage as much as it likes but that is the situation.
About 15 years ago, one of my brothers went to work as a brickie in Germany for 2 years, in exactly the same circumstances...there was no employment opportunities here at home, so he went where the work was, as people have done since time immemorial.
The DM is just using the impending arrival of another group of workers, to keep the pot of racism and xenophobia simmering away on the stove.
It isn't just midwives. Most of the health professions demanded by the NHS simply aren't trained in sufficient numbers in the UK.
Why? I don't know. While I do value degrees in the humanities, at undergraduate level I do remember a lot of people who simply seemed to be taking my subject because they didn't really know what else to do. Humanities undergrad degrees tend to get treated like "something-for-everyone" qualifications when they really aren't. Genuine lovers of the subject like me who wanted to take it further often found this extremely frustrating.
If there was a way to persuade more "uncertain" people into health training, that would probably cut down the shortage quite a bit. I am not sure how exactly this could be done though. And it would take years so would not solve the problem in the short run.
Why? I don't know. While I do value degrees in the humanities, at undergraduate level I do remember a lot of people who simply seemed to be taking my subject because they didn't really know what else to do. Humanities undergrad degrees tend to get treated like "something-for-everyone" qualifications when they really aren't. Genuine lovers of the subject like me who wanted to take it further often found this extremely frustrating.
If there was a way to persuade more "uncertain" people into health training, that would probably cut down the shortage quite a bit. I am not sure how exactly this could be done though. And it would take years so would not solve the problem in the short run.
Something we should consider is this. Say to people that have been on the dole for years and years....go to work or we will stop your benefits.
Its not just specialised areas, like Nursing that we have numbers of foreigners working in. Near me here in South Wales, there is a huge meat packing plant, that employs 100's of Polish people. Yet there are 1000's of our own citizens living nearby, who "can't find work"
You don't need extensive training and college qualifications to put slices of ham into little packets...just a willingness to work. The employers of these Polish people welcome them with open arms, because without them, they would have to close down the company.
Its not just specialised areas, like Nursing that we have numbers of foreigners working in. Near me here in South Wales, there is a huge meat packing plant, that employs 100's of Polish people. Yet there are 1000's of our own citizens living nearby, who "can't find work"
You don't need extensive training and college qualifications to put slices of ham into little packets...just a willingness to work. The employers of these Polish people welcome them with open arms, because without them, they would have to close down the company.
As Fred says: massive shortage of trained medical professionals. Our child was delivered by a Bulgarian doctor whose Englisg was better than several locals I know.
As for the others : if we want cheap production and retail costs we need to employ people willing to work for the appropriate wages. That's capitalism and free movement of labour of which we are all so enamoured.
Unless we are prepared to live in the sort of society where people are dragooned into packing shelves then I can't see an alternative. Especially where you have movement of labour between countries of different living standards.
And leaving the EU wouldn't change that significantly as far as I can see
As for the others : if we want cheap production and retail costs we need to employ people willing to work for the appropriate wages. That's capitalism and free movement of labour of which we are all so enamoured.
Unless we are prepared to live in the sort of society where people are dragooned into packing shelves then I can't see an alternative. Especially where you have movement of labour between countries of different living standards.
And leaving the EU wouldn't change that significantly as far as I can see
ichkeria..In this meat packing place near me, the workforce is approx. 75% Polish and 25% Welsh. They both get exactly the same rates of pay...£6.50 an hour...more than the national minimum wage. I know that because the wages clerk is a personal friend of mine. Enough to attract the Polish but not quite enough to attract the local dole bludgers.
##About 15 years ago, one of my brothers went to work as a brickie in Germany for 2 years, in exactly the same circumstances...there was no employment opportunities here at home, so he went where the work was, as people have done since time immemorial.##
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Mikey,
I don't think you can compare putting bricks on top of each other, to bringing a new baby into the World
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Mikey,
I don't think you can compare putting bricks on top of each other, to bringing a new baby into the World
You cannot staff a Political State owned monster by indigenous personnel only.....you need immigrants.
"They will be trained to English standards".......you hope.
\\\\\\I don't think you can compare putting bricks on top of each other, to bringing a new baby into the World \\\\
I agree, one can have a birth of a baby without a midwife, but you can't build a wall without a "bricky."
"They will be trained to English standards".......you hope.
\\\\\\I don't think you can compare putting bricks on top of each other, to bringing a new baby into the World \\\\
I agree, one can have a birth of a baby without a midwife, but you can't build a wall without a "bricky."
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