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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.I think ID cards is the big one, isn't it? This is now really going to happen apparently.
It is often said that rushed legislation is bad legislation. When legislation starts out as badly as Blunkett's ID Card scheme and is then rushed it can only get worse.
The imposition of ID Cards on innocent British citizens is a major constitutional change for which the Government has no mandate. Any vote on such a controversial issue must be a free vote.
And how on earth would having your freedom taken away make you more safe? There are plenty of innocent people with reason to hide and plenty to fear such as victims of domestic abuse, witnesses to crime etc. As for giving up your freedom for a little security you are basically spitting upon the graves of generations of people who have fought to protect those freedoms and died to protect them.
The problem is that this is all "thin end of the wedge stuff". You may not be being told that there will be fines for not carrying them or keeping them up to date but this is all "enabling legislation" that means it gives the Home Secretatry power to introduce measures at his discretion.
My wife's family were Jews in Autria and fled to Ireland in the 30's - strangely none of them think that "people with nothing to hide have nothing to fear".
Can't imagine why
If you want to claim your 7 virgins, yes.
I think Jake's reference to Jews is entirely pertinent, a perfect example of how the State does not necessarily have the best intentions for all of its populous all of the time. The current nazi party, excuse me, labour party would take all they could, given the chance.
It's an extreme example I grant you but I do think that to assume that if you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide is a trifle naive.
I'm also pretty confident that these will become compusorary to carry very shortly after their introduction - or else what is the point? we can all produce sufficient id on demand already.
And if it's compulsory then there have to be penalties for not complying.
I can see this being about as popular as speed cameras in ten years time.
This discussion goes nowhere when you get absurd comments like : "As for giving up your freedom for a little security you are basically spitting upon the graves of generations of people who have fought to protect those freedoms and died to protect them." And: "The current nazi party, excuse me, labour party would take all they could, given the chance."
I'm not necessarily for ID cards, but I would certainly give up a small amount of my freedom in order to gain a little more security. We did this in World War 2, and those who fought and died realised this and didn't jeapordise our national security by constantly maintaining their individual "rights" all the time. They knew that they had responsibilities too.
Some are more concerned with upholding extreme Liberal ideology, no matter how many lives are lost.
It's not all about "rights" (sic: your inverted commas) and "duties". Its also about the individual versus the state. The state is set up by the individuals for the individuals, and ultimately the individual and his/her freedoms are the most important thing. I should be able to live my life with as few encroachments from the State as possible. CCTV cameras everywhere, high profile policing, ID cards, snooping, closed-government, unaccountable government decisions, lying government, random stop and search all encroach on my liberty as an individual. Some have to be taken at a cost, but all should be seriously questioned. This (nazi) government FORGETS this. Blunkett TOLD us that we would have ID cards, we TOLD him to **** off, and he had to back down, and admitted such.
The approach of the current "government" to all levels of civil liberties and the rights of the individual are getting very close to 'Nazi'. YOU will do what THEY think is best because THEY know better. **** *** Tony.
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