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Is Offering A Reward For Dobbing Justified?
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Even for DD at Xmas?
Even for DD at Xmas?
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No. Not unless there is also a reward for dogging in all crimes that go up at this time of year ...
Like burglary, robbing people on the street, etc.
Are we really saying that if someone has one too many, drives home, and doesn't go fast, or have an accident, so no one is harmed ... there should be a reward for ratting them out ...
But if someone breaks into a pensioner's house, punches the pensioner in the face, and steals their money ... NO reward!
Marvellous.
We really have our priorities sorted!
Like burglary, robbing people on the street, etc.
Are we really saying that if someone has one too many, drives home, and doesn't go fast, or have an accident, so no one is harmed ... there should be a reward for ratting them out ...
But if someone breaks into a pensioner's house, punches the pensioner in the face, and steals their money ... NO reward!
Marvellous.
We really have our priorities sorted!
JJ, you are completely missing the point. This is a specific campaign targeted at a specific crime which is particularly prevalent at this time of the year. The police are not saying that you shouldn't report any other crimes that you might witness while this campaign is running.
You talk about a person who has one too many and still drives home without incident. Such a person is an accident waiting to happen, and taking them off the road for a while can only be a good thing, surely?
You talk about a person who has one too many and still drives home without incident. Such a person is an accident waiting to happen, and taking them off the road for a while can only be a good thing, surely?
There's a bar near me has a car park that's full most nights. The drivers can't all be on soft drinks or have a nominated driver who is. The police would have no trouble securing a few convictions there.
This talk of a reward might be designed to make drivers think twice about drinking and driving. That would be a good thing.
This talk of a reward might be designed to make drivers think twice about drinking and driving. That would be a good thing.
Heres what the cops say.
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Yeah, but fluffy, it would be better if they had a campaign about beating up pensioners.
Say my mum is walking home.
Someone who's had one too many drives past her, doesn't hit her, gets home safely.
Then my mum goes home, four thugs break into her house, beat her unconscious, stamp on her face, and put her in hospital.
The current campaign says ...
We are more concerned to get the name of the car driver (reward) than the name of the thugs (no reward).
That, to me, shows a pretty disgusting set of priorities.
Sure, people who cause accidents when they have been drinking should be summarily stoned to death on the village green, but ...
Tracking down the ones who don't have accidents, at the expense of tracking down thugs and violent criminals?
And no, the Police can't do both. They are telling us all the time how short of resources they are.
They have to choose where to prioritise their resources. And I thing the authorities have got this one badly, badly wrong.
Say my mum is walking home.
Someone who's had one too many drives past her, doesn't hit her, gets home safely.
Then my mum goes home, four thugs break into her house, beat her unconscious, stamp on her face, and put her in hospital.
The current campaign says ...
We are more concerned to get the name of the car driver (reward) than the name of the thugs (no reward).
That, to me, shows a pretty disgusting set of priorities.
Sure, people who cause accidents when they have been drinking should be summarily stoned to death on the village green, but ...
Tracking down the ones who don't have accidents, at the expense of tracking down thugs and violent criminals?
And no, the Police can't do both. They are telling us all the time how short of resources they are.
They have to choose where to prioritise their resources. And I thing the authorities have got this one badly, badly wrong.
JJ the scenario you describe is horrific,but there is unlikely to be a roomful of people as witnesses while the poor lady gets beaten.Unlike a crowded pub.
This campaign is not the first and in truth the reward should not matter and friends etc should prevent the person getting to their car wherever possible.
This campaign is not the first and in truth the reward should not matter and friends etc should prevent the person getting to their car wherever possible.
Precisely, mamya ...
The reward should not matter.
So why offer it for this specific offence?
And, bear in mind, the reward only applies to one very specific scenario ...
Where no one has had an accident, and no one has been injured.
Drink drivers who have accidents are caught. This campaign is specifically aimed at the ones who get away with it because they haven't been involved in an accident.
In other words ... where there was a crime (driving with excess alcohol) ... but there was no victim.
They are specifically offering a reward for victimless crimes, at the expense of crimes where there has been a victim.
I know the legal authorities quite often don't care about victims, but this is ridiculous.
(I'm trusting here that no one will trot out the line about "we are all victims" ... which is, quite patently, not true)
The reward should not matter.
So why offer it for this specific offence?
And, bear in mind, the reward only applies to one very specific scenario ...
Where no one has had an accident, and no one has been injured.
Drink drivers who have accidents are caught. This campaign is specifically aimed at the ones who get away with it because they haven't been involved in an accident.
In other words ... where there was a crime (driving with excess alcohol) ... but there was no victim.
They are specifically offering a reward for victimless crimes, at the expense of crimes where there has been a victim.
I know the legal authorities quite often don't care about victims, but this is ridiculous.
(I'm trusting here that no one will trot out the line about "we are all victims" ... which is, quite patently, not true)
jeffa ...
I'm saying that, in a society where people are harmed, the emphasis should be on catching people who do harm ... not on catching the ones who don't.
It's silly to say that all crime is equal, irrespective of whether anyone is harmed.
Take this scenario ...
I drive up the M23 at 85mph. 15mph over the speed limit. Nothing happens.
I drive up West Street at 40mph. Only 10mph over the speed limit. I hit a child crossing the road, and kill them.
Are you saying that neither of those speeding offences should receive more attention than the other?
Are we saying it's the crime, and not the consequences, that matter?
If so, then speeding up the M23 was more serious than killing a child on West Street, because I was doing more over the speed limit.
I'm saying that, in a society where people are harmed, the emphasis should be on catching people who do harm ... not on catching the ones who don't.
It's silly to say that all crime is equal, irrespective of whether anyone is harmed.
Take this scenario ...
I drive up the M23 at 85mph. 15mph over the speed limit. Nothing happens.
I drive up West Street at 40mph. Only 10mph over the speed limit. I hit a child crossing the road, and kill them.
Are you saying that neither of those speeding offences should receive more attention than the other?
Are we saying it's the crime, and not the consequences, that matter?
If so, then speeding up the M23 was more serious than killing a child on West Street, because I was doing more over the speed limit.
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