Is There A Parallel With Nazi Germany And What The Eu Are Currently Attempting?

[ToraToraTora]

All be it by peaceful means...so far. The recent sensoring/complaints about my avatar have inspired this post. Thanks I'm off to find a fluffy bunny.

[AB Editor]

I've always thought the UK should roll its sleeves up and do a bit of Anglo-cising of the EU. It has been left far too long in the hands of people with very odd aims it seems :)

[jim360]

What always intrigues me about posts like baz's is how horrifying they find the idea of empire-building while at the same time celebrating England's past -- when we were pretty much the empire builders extraordinaires. Seems to be a bit of a contradiction there.

Also the fact that they're completely rubbish.

[Brenden]

So were many strong countries jim (empire builders ) Spain, France etc and some retain control over their gains to this day.

[ToraToraTora]

The swastika is actually an ancient symbol from many cultures, Hindu, Buddism etc.

[woofgang]

I keep saying this. This is a club and the club has rules. Comply with the rules or leave the club. The club will continue with or without you or me.

[jim360]

Indeed, 3T, but unfortunately the Nazis used that symbol (or its mirror image anyway) for their own. Ever since there is a definite link between the Swastika and the Nazi party and there's no point pretending otherwise.

[ToraToraTora]

yes woofgang but would you join a club where it's always your round and you are the only one who has to obey the rules?

[emmie]

Farage v Churchill now i know someone is having a laugh. I can't see Farage giving such oratorical rousing speeches in our time of crisis, let alone seeing the country through a world war, he is a joke in comparison.

[Kromovaracun]

"The swastika is actually an ancient symbol from many cultures, Hindu, Buddism etc."

I see. So your avatar was trying to point out the secret spiritual dimension of the EU, then?

[Zeuhl]

/As usual the splitting of hairs, pedantry etc etc is alive and well. /

That's bazzer's usual cry when people don't automatically adopt but challenge his rather 'individual' point of view

[emmie]

as to Anglicizing the EU, good idea, doubt the Germans wouldn't wear it, suggest one of these days their flag will fly again, and it will be over the rest of Europe, they seem to have got their way on most things to do with the EU, and the best of the deals made over the last n years.

[Zeuhl]

/The swastika is actually an ancient symbol from many cultures, Hindu, Buddism etc. /

Yes T3, but you chose to use the very distinctive Nazi version didn't you?

[Zeuhl]

The Germans are the biggest, most powerful economy and state in Europe.

That has been the issue since it was founded in 1870 and will continue to be so.

The issue, as ever, is how we choose to deal with that.

[emmie]

we had to have two world wars, suffered immeasurably, and indeed lost millions of our men and women, yet we now have Germany heading up in effect a European superstate, indeed those men and women who gave their lives for this country must be spinning in their many graves.

[emmie]

what makes me laugh is how that the likes of Angela Merkel crib about their high levels of immigrants who don't integrate into mainstream life in Germany, yet don't see that other countries are having similar problems and that by dint of the almost complete subjugation of the countries in the EU on their own governance, has caused this.

[Zeuhl]

/we had to have two world wars, suffered immeasurably, and indeed lost millions of our men and women, yet we now have Germany heading up in effect a European superstate/

Those are just different stages of the same situation emmie

It could be argued that the 'cost' of eu membership today is a fraction of what WW1 and WW2 cost us.

Perhaps it would have been better in 1945 if Germany had been broken up back to Bavaria, Prussia etc

But of course the priority then was reaching an east/west arrangement with Stalin

[emmie]

we would have had a serious problem with Stalin, as we did indeed from the word go, had Germany been broken up permanently, then i could only see that as a bad thing, however to allow the situation to get to this stage where largely it's Germany who has done so very well out of our victory!
it anathema to me. I see also the country i love and loved so well and long being destroyed by the political classes, we are now such a jumble of peoples who knows what or who we are.

[Zeuhl]

/largely it's Germany who has done so very well out of our victory! /

what does that actually mean emmie?
how was Germany's success reliant on 'our victory'

I accept they received a lot of assistance from the USA after the war, but there are fundamental qualities associated with Germany, its people, its ethics, its size, its geography etc that mean that 'european dominance' is a natural situation for them.

As already stated, how we choose to deal with that is the question future historians will reflect on

[emmie]

i was being ironic

[Zeuhl]

Sorry emmie - gotcha :-)

Underlying question still stands