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Just Broke: Turing Given Royal Pardon!
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This straight, white, Anglo-Saxon male thinks it's brilliant news.
01:29 Tue 24th Dec 2013
I felt at the time when this was first discussed, and feel now, that a pardon is wrong.
The implication is that, because a man did great things for his country, and there is no dispute there, that it means he is immune from the laws which prosceuted and imprisoned others without the luxury of a posthumous pardon.
If you apply that logic to others in a similar position, it would not be difficutl to find several thousand people who did good deeds, and should therefore be similarly pardoned.
Far better would be to apply the law fairly - which was done at the time - and let convictions stand.
To do otherwise starts a divisive attitude to criminals based on their perceived worth to society in the long term - a futile and worthless exercise.
Are we going to re-assess a still untried and unconvicted Jimmy Saville on the basis of his charity work?
The implication is that, because a man did great things for his country, and there is no dispute there, that it means he is immune from the laws which prosceuted and imprisoned others without the luxury of a posthumous pardon.
If you apply that logic to others in a similar position, it would not be difficutl to find several thousand people who did good deeds, and should therefore be similarly pardoned.
Far better would be to apply the law fairly - which was done at the time - and let convictions stand.
To do otherwise starts a divisive attitude to criminals based on their perceived worth to society in the long term - a futile and worthless exercise.
Are we going to re-assess a still untried and unconvicted Jimmy Saville on the basis of his charity work?
The thing is, if they're acknowledging that the law was inherently wrong, and injustice was done, then surely you have to issue the same pardon to everyone else who was convicted of the same crime?
They're not saying he was innocent of the crime, rather that the 'crime' should never have existed, so why not pardon everyone on the same basis?
They're not saying he was innocent of the crime, rather that the 'crime' should never have existed, so why not pardon everyone on the same basis?
Naomi,
"Today, pardons are granted in many countries when individuals have demonstrated that they have fulfilled their debt to society, or are otherwise considered to be deserving. Pardons are sometimes offered to persons who are wrongfully convicted or claim they have been wrongfully convicted. Some believe accepting such a pardon implicitly constitutes an admission of guilt as a pardon does not set aside the conviction, so in some cases the offer is refused. Cases of wrongful conviction are nowadays more often dealt with by appeal than by pardon however, a pardon is sometimes offered when innocence is undisputed to avoid the costs of a retrial. Clemency plays a very important role when capital punishment is applied."
//Pardons are sometimes offered to persons who are wrongfully convicted or claim they have been wrongfully convicted.//
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I think a pardon is appropriate, however it can never undo the damage done and the heartbreak it caused his family.
"Today, pardons are granted in many countries when individuals have demonstrated that they have fulfilled their debt to society, or are otherwise considered to be deserving. Pardons are sometimes offered to persons who are wrongfully convicted or claim they have been wrongfully convicted. Some believe accepting such a pardon implicitly constitutes an admission of guilt as a pardon does not set aside the conviction, so in some cases the offer is refused. Cases of wrongful conviction are nowadays more often dealt with by appeal than by pardon however, a pardon is sometimes offered when innocence is undisputed to avoid the costs of a retrial. Clemency plays a very important role when capital punishment is applied."
//Pardons are sometimes offered to persons who are wrongfully convicted or claim they have been wrongfully convicted.//
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I think a pardon is appropriate, however it can never undo the damage done and the heartbreak it caused his family.
The two journalists discussing this story on Sky News last night said pretty much the same i.e. the role played by Turing in defeating fascism and tyranny and the defence of these Isles and his subsequent shocking treatment stood him out as an icon for the gay community and his pardon was in effect a pardon for all those with similar convictions who were dealt with so appallingly.
Still, with solvitquick's post it's no surprise to see homophobia still festers in some small parts in 21st century Britain.
Still, with solvitquick's post it's no surprise to see homophobia still festers in some small parts in 21st century Britain.
i have given an explanation for that AOG, it came from a pretty reliable source, a homosexual man who is very much in the media eye.
Mr Stephen Fry is surely one of our most well known actors, comedians in Britain, an all round clever chap, he has said that most gays and presumably he knows lots, do not engage in certain practices, or not solely. besides what does it matter
Mr Stephen Fry is surely one of our most well known actors, comedians in Britain, an all round clever chap, he has said that most gays and presumably he knows lots, do not engage in certain practices, or not solely. besides what does it matter
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