Where Are They All Going To Live When They Arrive In A Few Days?

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A pregnant Romanian woman said: ‘I have read on this website I can get £190 a week from the British government from the 25th week of pregnancy.
Just need somebody to help me with the forms!

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[emmie]

please stop labelling all DM readers in this way, benefits have been cut, for many who can ill afford it, and some have been landed with extra costs, those also who cannot afford it.

[anneasquith]

if I were a skilled or indeed an unskilled worker who would earn a much better salary within the EU then I would move with my family for better education.health care, housing, benefits,, so lets not blame the immigrants if we are unhappy with the system, then blame the people responsible for allowing the situation in the first place.

[emmie]

we do, however many don't seem to think that it's a bad thing for the country as a whole...

[emmie]

why do we need more unskilled workers, if we have enough of our own, and why do we have unskilled workers anyway.

[FredPuli43]

My plumber is Latvian. He tells me that he earns three times what he would be earning in Latvia. Is he needed here, based in a village of about 650 people? Yes. We have two other plumbers that I know of, but getting them out to do jobs is another matter. That answers one question.

[emmie]

that is one example. how many plumbers are there in UK, are they all work shy, suggest not, after all it's their living, if they don't work, they don't eat

[FredPuli43]

As to where these people will live, you might ask successive governments. For years, this village has been saying it wants 40 houses, but the local government won't even allow two. And that has been in following government policy.

[anneasquith]

here's a novel idea. apprentice plumbers?

[FredPuli43]

emmie, the native plumbers are not work shy. There is simply a shortage of plumbers to do the jobs I and others want doing.

[emmie]

ok shortage, then that is a problem, however it does seem that some of our workmen are being undercut by foreign labour, so they lose out. and i don't suppose that is going to change, its called economics, and by the way its one of the arguments about cheap goods - that most go with what they can afford, so ethics so straight out the window.

[emmie]

perhaps some have been sold a bill of goods, go to Uni, do a worthless degree then can't get a job, because no one needs a media whizz or some such title, perhaps we should go back to those basics we are always hearing of, apprenticeships, we need good workmen and women, plumbing, painters, decorators, carpenters, builders, then maybe we wouldn't need to hire them from abroad.

[emmie]

650 people, a hamlet perhaps?

[FredPuli43]

No hamlet, emmie. It's two villages but we regard them as one. They are , legally, two parishes, but that's not how Royal Mail, or we, see them (except for those of us in the one who joke that it's not safe to cross the border with the other!)

[emmie]

must be pleasant to live in an area with so few people... unless of course there is no way get around...

[Hypognosis]

Hands up all of you who would happily turn away an offer from a cash-in-hand plumber? Or any other tradesperson, for that matter?

[FredPuli43]

Correction, emmie, the total population of the two villages, "the village",as estimated by the local district council, is 1,383. The 650 must be the number of electors or, more likely, the number of households.

But villages in this area, taken individually, are small, certainly as judged by townspeople. The smaller of this pair has only 480 people.

[emmie]

minuscule in comparison with the capital....

[New Judge]

Yes, this issue is clear cut, emmie.

If work is available and people are capable of carrying it out they should not expect the taxpayer to keep them until something that better suits them comes along. Nor should the government take the easy option by allowing people to continue to draw benefits whilst importing labour. Tens of thousands, if not millions, of people do often unpleasant jobs which they are not fond of day in, day out. That’s life Yes there will always be lazy feckless people. But it would concentrate their minds enormously if they knew that if they did not work they would not have their 50 inch plasma TV.

As far as your graduate problem goes, it is linked to the dearth of plumbers in Fred’s village. The current generation of young people has been badly misled. Firstly by the previous administration whose avowed aim was to see 50% of people educated to degree level. Then by this current bunch who are doing little or nothing to alter that objective. The fact is that nothing like 50% of jobs available in the UK require a degree. A figure of 10% would be more realistic. So young people are having their expectations falsely raised by providing the facilities for them to earn a degree when about 80% of those attending university will end up in lower skilled jobs. They are wasting their time and both theirs and the taxpayers’ cash. Now of course if, instead of encouraging them to go to university, the government facilitated employers to run apprenticeship schemes, Fred may be able to hire his plumber without the plumber having to come from the other side of Europe.

[emmie]

sorry i am not totally convinced. Nothing in life is ever clear cut.
and we do not by any stretch of the imagination know the make up of those who claim unemployment benefits, not for how long they claim, not the ethnicity, and if not British what countries they hail from, are they benefit tourist? How many may not be well enough, how many had jobs then lost them because they became unwell, ill. it is never clear cut
and if you have ever been in a job centre, it's one of the few places you are unlikely to get a job, at least going on experience.

already agree about the problems of expectations in regards to getting a degree, we shouldn't be handing them out like sweets, and we should be looking to our young people for the sciences, engineering, medicine, law, nursing, not media studies and hairdressing, not at least for degree level.

[emmie]

nurses shouldn't need a degree, they didn't once, but learned their craft by study and work on the wards. Trouble is how many British really want to do nursing. A friends works for NHS as a staff nurse, and it's long hours, hard graft and she got there the hard way, but i really don't think she is the rule.