Steven Gerrard "huge Donation" The Hillsborough Family Support Group

[Cathyhuns]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25927847

According to the BBC website Steven Gerrard has made a "huge donation" to the Hillsborough Family Support Group. According to Google he earns £125,000 per week so he has donated less than 80% of a week's salary, let alone including his endorsement income or bonuses. Am I the only one who thinks this isn't really that generous?

[ToraToraTora]

hang on, I got berated the other day for daring to suggest that there where any without tickets.

[Gromit]

Did you Tora? I didn't see that thread or your post

[jackthehat]

Not just the other day, TGT.
Every time you have made that suggestion for the past few years, people have tried (and obviously failed) to correct your erroneous assertions...

[jon1968]

Obviously the people already in the ground had legitimate tickets then and were let through the turnstiles? Who's to blame there then?
Scousers jump & charge turnstiles, it's what they do. The same way Man Utd fans refuse to sit down. It's what they do.

[ToraToraTora]

clearly not erroneous JTH, gromit for one has stated above there where some fans without tickets. Unless of course gromit is also "erroneous"!

[jackthehat]

Gromit understands the sequence of events surrounding the Hillsborough tragedy and is not given to blaming drunken, ticket-less, self-pitying Scouse 'louts' in quite the same way as you are.

[Gromit]

Lord Justice Taylor's interim report said

2.12.140 Further, LJ Taylor found no evidence to demonstrate that there was a 'very significant body of ticketless fans in the crowd which built up'. He also dismissed the 'slender evidence' on which the 'suggestion that fans without tickets conspired to arrive late and create such trouble as would force the police to admit them to the match' was based.

[ToraToraTora]

wel it's the first time I've ever seen any sort of aknowledgement that some did not have tickets.

[Gromit]

Tora

There were some ticketless fans, but they were not a significant number. Not enough to cause the fatal crush. (See LJ Taylor above).

[ToraToraTora]

ok so lets get on with HDQing the police then shall we!

[Peter Pedant]

If he gives it through Gift Aid very tax efficient
that is of course not WHY he is giving it - but it helps

Should cost him under £70 000 - you know the saving is well generous - you will notice that the uppage is £30 000 and this represents 50% of his donation - and his marginal tax rate is 50%.

I am not sure if one is limited with gift aid these days in whcih case he should do one at the end of march and the second at the end of April thus spanning two tax years.

well done Stephen Gerrrard !

[DrFilth]

gromit i seem to remember one paper showing a forged ticket but i could be wrong as for there were no large amount of ticket less fans the pens seem full when the game kicked off with a few thousand outside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SdGtCWrvlo

[DrFilth]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2L_8sj6Wyc

[jno]

80% of a week's salary, I suppose that's roughly what I give to charity. I have no idea if the recipients consider it generous but if they don't like it, they can always tell me and I'll stop.

How much do you think should be given? How much do you give?

[Gromit]

Tora

It is not an uncommon occurrence to have fans arrive at any quarter/semi final without tickets. That had happened many times previously and since. As part of the preparation the ground staff and the police would expect SOME fans to arrive without tickets.

The Taylor report says that ticketless fans were not in the main to blame. The exaggerated claims of 'thousands' of ticketless fans were mainly from claims in The Sun and the Sheffield Star. The source of these claims was off the record briefings from South Yorkshire police. Taylor could not find evidence that 'thousands' arrived ticketless or that the crush was caused by them.

[furrypusscat]

I wonder how many other stars and celebrities actually give their own money when they are pleading for donations for charities. I don't mean when they are in quiz shows hoping to win money for charity, I mean dipping into their pockets and donating their own money.

[pixie373]

I think more or less any donation to charity is "generous". You don't have to pay anything, so to make the effort and give some money you've earnt can't really be criticised.

[Gromit]

DrFilth

Tickets taken on the turnstiles were collected and the 100 most suspect ones were tested forensically to see if they were forgeries. All were passed as genuine.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/SYP000029210001.pdf

// The Health & Safety Executive performed a count of the number of people on the Leppings Lane terraces from photographs and turnstile data.

This painstaking piece of work concluded that the Leppings Lane terraces in their entirety were pretty much bang on capacity.

However, the two central pens were, of course, well over capacity, with pen 3 double safe capacity limits. //