Could The Ukraine Crisis Lead To Another Cold War?

[gordiescotland1]

I was wondering if the Ukraine crisis could lead to another cold war? I dont like Russia and the west disagreeing it makes me nervous

[emmie]

it could lead to war, not a cold one, pressure has to be put on Putin, but going on his hard line, i can't see this will have a lot of sway. This has been on the cards for a long while.

[neil42]

Rather a cold one than it turning hot!

[emmie]

people are dying in the Ukraine, so it's got pretty hot i would have thought, the boot boys are out in force, their leader that macho chappy Putin is their head, what he says goes.

[youngmafbog]

And the chinese are on side.

No, not a cold war, maybe some sort of war but more likely a bloody put down.

The West will have to sit and watch. Going in would serve no purpose.

[mikey4444]

Does anyone know how our gas supplies here in Britain will be affected if this affair escalates ? I understand that some of our gas at least comes through Russia and the Ukraine.

[emmie]

i will post the link i put on sandys thread

[emmie]

Ukraine provides a key pipeline for transporting Russian gas into Europe, but a bitter dispute over the country’s ties has led Russia to issue several warnings that Ukraine may lose a discount to the gas price it now pays, due to its outstanding debt. “It seems that with such gas payments and fulfilment of its obligations Ukraine may not keep its current gas discount. The gas discount agreement assumed full and timely payment,” a spokesman from Russia’s state-owned gas company Gazprom said.

A price rise would be devastating for heavily indebted Ukraine, and it is feared that this could interrupt exports to Europe, which gets a third of its gas from Russia.

[emmie]

shame we have to be so indebted to these nations, like oil, if we didn't have to get it from Arab countries, or gas from Russia, perhaps we better get fracking.

[mikey4444]

Thanks emmie !

[emmie]

ickeria seems to have a better understanding of this,

[anotheoldgit]

I entered this on the 23rd September, and once again the Daily mail was criticised for printing mainly melodramatic nonsense.

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1317036.html

[Gromit]

I imagine this will follow the pattern set with Georgia.

Russia flexes its muscles. The US and EU are powerless and watch event unfold. And an uneasy truce will be the result.

The old Soviet Union nearly babkrupted Russia, they are really interested in repeating that mistake. But they do want their own security and want Ukraine on side.

[Gromit]

NOT interested in repeating that mistake.

AOG. You posted that just over a week ago, not in September.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Sorry I meant to put November.

[anotheoldgit]

What is with me this morning February.

[DrFilth]

well the stock markets are having problems including the russians

> Russia’s MICEX stock exchange is plunging on the growing crisis in Ukraine.

It’s currently down almost 10 per cent at 1,304, with stocks heading towards their biggest slump since 2009.

The rouble has also slid sharply. One dollar is currently worth 36.39 roubles.

[ichkeria]

"I entered this on the 23rd September, and once again the Daily mail was criticised for printing mainly melodramatic nonsense.

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1317036.html "

Yes AOG I believe I may have been one of those criticising - not you - but the article, Where the article is wrong is in suggesting that trouble might ensure from divisions within Ukraine.
In fact what has actually happened is that what was in fact a peaceful aftermath to the revolution (not a single shot was fired in anger after Yanukovich fled) has been threatened by Russia and Russia alone. Not even I - arch-critic of the Kremlin imagined in my naivete that Putin would do what he has done.
I will give you a classic example of the effect of his warmongering:
A friend of mine (Ukrainian) was severely beaten last night in Kyiv by 4 men who mistook her for a Russian as she was speaking in that language on her phone. Despite the fact that 99% of Ukrainians in Kyiv, despite what you may think, actually speak Russian a lot of the time if not all the time (in fact they often speak what is know as surzhik, a mix of the two)
I can guarantee you that that would not have occurred but for the external threats to the nation now posed by Putin. This sort of aggression plays on the nationalist sentiments of many people (no doubt one reason why there have since been pro-Russian demos in places like Kharkiv and Donetsk)

As for the Cold War, as others have suggested if wescape with only a cold one we'l have done well (!) The Cold War never really ended for the Kremlin I fear though.

[BigDogsWang]

I hope Fifa re-evaluates it awarding of the 2018 World Cup to Russia.

[emmie]

i think that a football tournament is the last thing they are worried about, a massive arsenal of weapons and a relatively smaller neighbour, at least in military terms, with a flex your muscles Putin who seems every bit as harsh as the old cold war leaders, like Khruschev

[BigDogsWang]

The economic input the World Cup will bring to Russia is massive. Threatening to rescind the award is just one of many sanctions which could be implemented.