Fgm Why Has It Taken So Long....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26681364
...and what will they be charged with? GBH with intent? or is FGM a specific offence?

[ummmm]

Surely they wouldn't have sewn her back up during pregnancy. What if she miscarried?

[Peter Pedant]

It is a separate Act:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Genital_Mutilation_Act_2003

as with so many Acts, Parliament had to have a few goes before getting something that worked and made sense - First try 1985

[DaisyNonna]

Does not surprise me that hc is male.

[naomi24]

Ummmm, these girls are obviously not sewn up completely - a little room has to be left to allow menstrual blood to exit and to allow a man 'access'. As I understand it she's been cut in order to give birth, and then sewn up again.

It should also be borne in mind that the ritual is carried out without anaesthetic and often using something like a filthy old razor blade. Many people don't seem to realise just what the most severe forms of FGM involve - which is probably why they don't feel too strongly about it.

[ummmm]

I read about the different types last night. Made me feel sick.

[naomi24]

I'm not surprised.

[emmie]

as i mentioned in my thread the other day, it doesn't have to be a doctor who carries out these procedures, as to why it's taken so long, cultural , religious sensitivities, its a barbaric practice, as to examination of little girls, as CD has pointed out it doesn't have to be all intrusive.


http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutilation/Pages/Introduction.aspx

[naomi24]

Emmie, It's rarely a doctor. Other women usually carry out the procedure.

[emmie]

as my link shows,

[emmie]

poor little girl, makes you wonder at the parents, time it was outlawed across the world, and it cannot ever be likened to male circumcision, which i also think is unnecessary

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/14/egyptian-doctor-first-prosecution-fgm-female-genital-mutilation?guni=Article:manual-trailblock%20package:Position2

[naomi24]

It's estimated that 70% of Egyptian women have been subjected to FGM - and there, unlike most other areas, doctors were often involved before the practice became illegal. I always think of Egypt as a strange mix of the old and the new.

[emmie]

i think that Egypt has been regressing, just like Turkey, wait for Gromit to jump in and say they are not backwards, which is not what i am suggesting, many of the inroads made for women, are beg overturned, same for places like Afghanistan,. Saudi Arabia is another backwards misogynistic culture, very few rights it seems for women, as to FGM, its a barbaric practice that should be stamped out. Hospitals, doctors, those involved when these young girls and older women come to them should be the ones to make the report, if they think there has been abuse

[emmie]

being overturned, sorry

[Sqad]

The CPS is obviously in receipt of the facts, but i do feel that this prosecution may not succeed.

The patient had already had FGM outside the UK and had become pregnant.

For a normal vaginal pregnancy to succeed, she had to have a formal "unpicking" of her FGM ( an episiotomy in essence) which was performed by the doctor.

After delivery the obstetrician was then left with a bare, open incision ( the "unpicked" FGM).

Does he leave it unrepaired or does he repair it to it's previous state after FGM? There are very good surgical principles which would suggest that the wound should be repaired.

Would you like your episiotomy left "0pen?"

I have a certain amount of sympathy with the doctor...IF...my assumed facts are correct.

[naomi24]

Sqad, you have a point. The case could well rest upon medical opinion of the necessary extent of the repair.

[LazyGun]

I know the topic is no laughing matter - but this did make me chuckle..

From the BBC report talking about possible cases the CPS are not going to go ahead with;

"In another, a suspect contacted an FGM helpline to request the procedure for his two daughters after misunderstanding the purpose of the service for victims"

[Sqad]

LG....LOL

[naomi24]

I do hope they passed his name and address on to the authorities!

[woofgang]

sqad, I think it depends on what the repair consisted of. In FGM where the woman is sewn, the labia minora and/or majora are sewn together for part of their length. If he redid the sewing, then I don't think it counts as episiotomy repair.

[woofgang]

just had another thought.....i wonder if the patient requested to be resewn?