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This is bordering on ridiculous, especially when coupled with the 120K to teach the Cornish language.
I thought we had people starving in the country and relying on food banks. clearly this cannot be the case if money can be lavished like this.
This is bordering on ridiculous, especially when coupled with the 120K to teach the Cornish language.
I thought we had people starving in the country and relying on food banks. clearly this cannot be the case if money can be lavished like this.
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Some of my posts relating to the question of Scottish Independence contained a reark something like "The people of Scotland have no more right to demand independence than, say, the people of Cornwall". I was howled down for making such a fatuous comparison. Seems this latest announcement may make my comparison not so fatuous after all.
Look beneath the headlines and the tentacles of bureaucracy and interference control loom. This is not about spending 120k teaching Cornish nor about VAT on Cornish Pasties:
“ The Cornish will be classified under the European Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities, meaning the Government must agree to "combat discrimination and promote equality".
The stupidity of this announcement is adequately demonstrated:
“Residents of the far-flung county in the South West will be accorded the same rights and protections as other minorities in the UK”
Er.. not quite so by my reckoning. The number of “minorities” in the UK is almost infinite. No specific protection is afforded for the people of the London Borough of Bromley; no particular rights are bestowed upon the good citizens of Ipswich in Suffolk, yet they are also in the minority.
The entire matter is a farce. I’m not aware of any particular discrimination being visited upon the people of Cornwall. I’m not sure that any particular inequalities exist there that do not exist in many other parts of the UK. No doubt to accompany this there will have to be a “Cornish Office” set up in Whitehall to administer this ridiculous nonsense. No end of scribes and busybodies will have to be employed to monitor that the people of Cornwall are not having plagues of frogs or locusts visited upon them that do not occur anywhere else. For sure a considerable amount of red tape will be manufactured to help keep the scribes and busybodies in ungainful employment. And that red tape will further strangle businesses both in Cornwall and elsewhere.
It is interesting that Danny Alexander was chosen to make today’s monumental announcement. For some inexplicable reason the West Country has long since held an affection for the Liberals and their recent alter-ego the LibDems. In 2005 all six constituencies in this “far-flung” part of the Empire (the distance London-Saltash being just slightly less than London to Whitby in N. Yorkshire) returned a LibDem MP. Today three of the six are painted yellow. (The other three saw the LibDem candidate in second place. In all of them the majority was slim and in one - Camborne & Redruth - the Tories scraped home by just 66 votes).
With ludicrous bilge like this spewing forth from a senior LibDem politician it is highly likely that his party may manage to hang on to a seat or two in that remote outpost come May 2015. But only the most cynical of those amongst us would make such an outrageous connection, wouldn’t we?
Look beneath the headlines and the tentacles of bureaucracy and interference control loom. This is not about spending 120k teaching Cornish nor about VAT on Cornish Pasties:
“ The Cornish will be classified under the European Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities, meaning the Government must agree to "combat discrimination and promote equality".
The stupidity of this announcement is adequately demonstrated:
“Residents of the far-flung county in the South West will be accorded the same rights and protections as other minorities in the UK”
Er.. not quite so by my reckoning. The number of “minorities” in the UK is almost infinite. No specific protection is afforded for the people of the London Borough of Bromley; no particular rights are bestowed upon the good citizens of Ipswich in Suffolk, yet they are also in the minority.
The entire matter is a farce. I’m not aware of any particular discrimination being visited upon the people of Cornwall. I’m not sure that any particular inequalities exist there that do not exist in many other parts of the UK. No doubt to accompany this there will have to be a “Cornish Office” set up in Whitehall to administer this ridiculous nonsense. No end of scribes and busybodies will have to be employed to monitor that the people of Cornwall are not having plagues of frogs or locusts visited upon them that do not occur anywhere else. For sure a considerable amount of red tape will be manufactured to help keep the scribes and busybodies in ungainful employment. And that red tape will further strangle businesses both in Cornwall and elsewhere.
It is interesting that Danny Alexander was chosen to make today’s monumental announcement. For some inexplicable reason the West Country has long since held an affection for the Liberals and their recent alter-ego the LibDems. In 2005 all six constituencies in this “far-flung” part of the Empire (the distance London-Saltash being just slightly less than London to Whitby in N. Yorkshire) returned a LibDem MP. Today three of the six are painted yellow. (The other three saw the LibDem candidate in second place. In all of them the majority was slim and in one - Camborne & Redruth - the Tories scraped home by just 66 votes).
With ludicrous bilge like this spewing forth from a senior LibDem politician it is highly likely that his party may manage to hang on to a seat or two in that remote outpost come May 2015. But only the most cynical of those amongst us would make such an outrageous connection, wouldn’t we?
its because of the poncy blow ins who have their second homes in Cornwall, lib dems types, true Cornish, those who haven't drifted out to sea, to America and beyond are still relatively short in supply
DT, sorry if you know lots of born and bred Cornish folk, give them a hello from me, Have a wander around any part of Cornwall, more tourists than you can shake a stick at. My friend moved away, as did many of his friends, the reason was work mostly, and going off to University, he did say that he couldn't wait to leave for their rather narrow view of the world.
DT, sorry if you know lots of born and bred Cornish folk, give them a hello from me, Have a wander around any part of Cornwall, more tourists than you can shake a stick at. My friend moved away, as did many of his friends, the reason was work mostly, and going off to University, he did say that he couldn't wait to leave for their rather narrow view of the world.
Such has been the reaction from the other side of The Tamar to the granting of our legitimate demands for a few spondulicks there will tonight be a demonstration in Saltash to mark this historic event of international recognition of our basic human rights.
Mr Penworthy has been able to sequester a minibus that will be picking people up from Liskeard, Looe, Polperro and Menheniot. Mr Penhaligon will, kindly, be providing refreshments on board the charabanc.
The Cornish Times is on alert and has promised to send a man who takes pictures on a post-camera device of some sort.
Would urge all to meet at the Lovely Tourist, Main Street, Liskeard, at 1800 hrs.
Should you be early or late the 'Closed in Winter' pub is but a pebble's throw away. Please bring sandwiches as we are not sure if there are cafes, restaurants etc that close to the Devon border.
Mr Penworthy has been able to sequester a minibus that will be picking people up from Liskeard, Looe, Polperro and Menheniot. Mr Penhaligon will, kindly, be providing refreshments on board the charabanc.
The Cornish Times is on alert and has promised to send a man who takes pictures on a post-camera device of some sort.
Would urge all to meet at the Lovely Tourist, Main Street, Liskeard, at 1800 hrs.
Should you be early or late the 'Closed in Winter' pub is but a pebble's throw away. Please bring sandwiches as we are not sure if there are cafes, restaurants etc that close to the Devon border.
loved this place as well, i can't remember whether it was The Lugger Inn, i remember it being a short ferry ride from Fowey
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I should imagine, emmie, that the main reason there are huge numbers of tourists in Cornwall is because, apart from agriculture, Ginster’s Pies & Pasties, a bit of clotted cream and the small number of China Clay workings around St Austell, that is about the only industry that the county sustains. I think without the tourists the Cornish economy would be in very dire straits indeed and those who believe there are too many visitors should be careful of what they wish for.
As for the “blow-ins” as they are rather unkindly called, It is doubtful that the premises they acquire for their second homes would be occupied at all if they were not used as such. It is all very well suggesting that they have driven out the local population, but if the local population had any work they might not have left the properties vacant. At least whilst they are there the part-time residents put some cash into the local economy and of course they pay a year’s council tax for far less than a year‘s occupancy.
Cornwall has long suffered from low investment and relatively low levels of industry mainly because of its geographical location. One thing which may have helped is a proper railway line connecting the west of the county to Devon and beyond. It is scandalous that so-called “Inter City” trains trundles their way across the Tamar after leaving Plymouth, most of them stopping at a dozen stops in less than 80 miles and constrained by a lengthy single track stretch between St. Austell and Truro. All this over a route built in the 1850s and 60s. This route was built with the minimum of capital and the result is a line with tortuous bends and gradients that even today’s trains have difficulty in maintaining more than about 40mph average.
But back to the question, schemes like the one announced today do nothing to ease these problems. The Cornish do not need government to enable them to preserve a separate identity and the £120k pocket money is an insult. They are part of the UK and no more need a separate identity than people in Chester do. What they need is inclusion, investment and - most of all - a decent railway line.
By the way, emmie, the Ship Inn is lovely as is the whole of Fowey. Last time I was there I was talking to a local shopkeeper who was dreading the impending arrival of the first of the season’s cruise liners which they tow backwards from the sea and moor in the estuary. Fowey gets no trade from these visitors as all that happens is that the town gets clogged up for a day whilst they bus the passengers to and from the Eden Project and the Lost Gardens. After that the cruisers return to their boat for victuals. Net income for Fowey - probably less than nil as I expect a lot of people who might otherwise visit are put off by the congestion.
As for the “blow-ins” as they are rather unkindly called, It is doubtful that the premises they acquire for their second homes would be occupied at all if they were not used as such. It is all very well suggesting that they have driven out the local population, but if the local population had any work they might not have left the properties vacant. At least whilst they are there the part-time residents put some cash into the local economy and of course they pay a year’s council tax for far less than a year‘s occupancy.
Cornwall has long suffered from low investment and relatively low levels of industry mainly because of its geographical location. One thing which may have helped is a proper railway line connecting the west of the county to Devon and beyond. It is scandalous that so-called “Inter City” trains trundles their way across the Tamar after leaving Plymouth, most of them stopping at a dozen stops in less than 80 miles and constrained by a lengthy single track stretch between St. Austell and Truro. All this over a route built in the 1850s and 60s. This route was built with the minimum of capital and the result is a line with tortuous bends and gradients that even today’s trains have difficulty in maintaining more than about 40mph average.
But back to the question, schemes like the one announced today do nothing to ease these problems. The Cornish do not need government to enable them to preserve a separate identity and the £120k pocket money is an insult. They are part of the UK and no more need a separate identity than people in Chester do. What they need is inclusion, investment and - most of all - a decent railway line.
By the way, emmie, the Ship Inn is lovely as is the whole of Fowey. Last time I was there I was talking to a local shopkeeper who was dreading the impending arrival of the first of the season’s cruise liners which they tow backwards from the sea and moor in the estuary. Fowey gets no trade from these visitors as all that happens is that the town gets clogged up for a day whilst they bus the passengers to and from the Eden Project and the Lost Gardens. After that the cruisers return to their boat for victuals. Net income for Fowey - probably less than nil as I expect a lot of people who might otherwise visit are put off by the congestion.
Agreed entirely youngmafbog.
If the Cornish want to speak Cornish they are free to do so but they should not be paid from non-Cornish wallets.
And what will this do for the Cornish economy or anything, apart from isolating Cornwall even further?
Cornwall boasts "it never snows in Cornwall" - right! It rains and get covered in mist.
I've visited Cornwall very many times but never been impressed except for the Eden Project.
There are no walking tracks inland - all hedgerows and roads without public rights of way. All for the sake of TB-endemic cattle.
Whenever we visited in winter, it was closed.
They advertise to tourists but have an attitude of take us as you find us, indeed give tourists a hostile name (grockles or something like that).
What is so special about treeless Cornwall?
When Liverpool, London and Bristol were devastated by containerisation of
sea-faring cargoes they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Similarly Birmingham (cars), the Steel-towns etc. They did not sit with
chips-on-their-shoulder as Cornwall has done since it's loss of tin-mining.
SIQ.
If the Cornish want to speak Cornish they are free to do so but they should not be paid from non-Cornish wallets.
And what will this do for the Cornish economy or anything, apart from isolating Cornwall even further?
Cornwall boasts "it never snows in Cornwall" - right! It rains and get covered in mist.
I've visited Cornwall very many times but never been impressed except for the Eden Project.
There are no walking tracks inland - all hedgerows and roads without public rights of way. All for the sake of TB-endemic cattle.
Whenever we visited in winter, it was closed.
They advertise to tourists but have an attitude of take us as you find us, indeed give tourists a hostile name (grockles or something like that).
What is so special about treeless Cornwall?
When Liverpool, London and Bristol were devastated by containerisation of
sea-faring cargoes they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Similarly Birmingham (cars), the Steel-towns etc. They did not sit with
chips-on-their-shoulder as Cornwall has done since it's loss of tin-mining.
SIQ.
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