Raf Nurse Successfully Sues The Ministry Of Defence

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2618709/RAF-nurse-treated-wounded-soldiers-awarded-560-000-compensation-suing-Ministry-Defence-sex-discrimination-passed-promotion-female.html

I wonder how many males with more service than this RAF nurse, were passed over by the RAF, on her way up to become a Group Captain?

[Prudie]

Exactly, she's made it to Group Captain fgs, he was a doctor, she's a nurse- seems like he might have had a fair advantage.

[boxtops]

Doesn't this article contradict itself, or am I missing something?

"The tribunal was told that it was the RAF’s procedure to fill medical 1* roles that were theoretically open to doctors and nurses only with doctors."

So she didn't get the job, not because she's a woman, but because her background's in nursing and midwifery, not medical - if she'd been a doctor she would have got in? Nurses and midwives are men as well as women. Where's the evidence that her gender ruled her out?

[Sqad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530895/Top-rank-RAF-woman-Officer-Air-Vice-Marshal-responsible-buying-maintaining-fighters-drones-aircraft.html

A woman in the RAF can reach Air Vice Marshall........so I fail to see any evidence of sexual discrimination in the RAF as a determining factor.

I agree with Boxy and prudie.......

[Gromit]

// I wonder how many males with more service than this RAF nurse, were passed over by the RAF, on her way up to become a Group Captain? //

Few if any. She had 19 years experience under her belt before that promotion.

[Gromit]

Not sure why this is the news now. She won the case last June

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23053008

[Gromit]

// The tribunal was told that it was the RAF’s procedure to fill medical 1* roles that were theoretically open to doctors and nurses only with doctors. //

If the application states the job is open to nurses, but only doctors are given the job, then that is clearly discriminatory and why she won her case.

If it is only open to doctors, they should advertise it as such.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

To attain the rank of Group Captain after only 19 years service in the RAF is pretty good by any standard Male or Female.

[Nibble]

To go back to your OP, it's my experience in any walk of life that it doesn't matter how long you've been in a job, or whether you're male or female - other people can often be appointed over you who've less service under their belts, if they are the best candidate for the job. The other applicants wouldn't be "passed over" as you say, she was the best person to appoint.

[Prudie]

"If the application states the job is open to nurses, but only doctors are given the job, then that is clearly discriminatory and why she won her case"

Gromit her argument was sex discrimination not discrimination between nurses and doctors. It makes fairly logical sense to me that a doctor would most probably perform better at interview when competing against a nurse (of any sex) for a medical position based on knowledge. I'd certainly hope so.

[boxtops]

I agree, prudie - the words in the job title are "defence MEDICAL group" - so why offer it to nurses in the first place? Sounds like the RAF shot themselves in the foot, so she was right to feel discriminated against. However - it's not the sexist aspect which she won for, it's the nursing angle, IMO, so why this is a sex discrimination case is currently evading me.

[anotheoldgit]

Why was she chosen to show Prince Charles around? Perhaps they should have chosen a male nurse?

There are many hard working nurses in the NHS not very often they complain of such things and if they did they wouldn't be awarded lottery style payouts as she has received, even her ampatee patients do not get such compensation.

What has happened to dedication she seems to be only interested in power and the pay that goes with promotion.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, that attitude belongs in the era when you were in the RAF, sixty year ago.

[boxtops]

AOG, she may be a nurse by profession but she has climbed the ladder of promotion into other ranks, it's entirely appropriate for a Group Captain to escort HRH on a formal visit.

The NHS is a different kettle of fish altogether, but is comparable in one way. Many nurses at the rock face are vocational and do the job because it's what they want to do - those who rise through the ranks into senior management, which many do, would surely be equally as unhappy as this lady if a doctor got a job for which they were eligible and highly suitable, due to a poorly-worded advert or underpinning recruitment policy.