What A Repulsive Person!! He Thinks All Babies Detected As Having Downes Syndrome Or Spina Bifida Should Be Aborted.

[RATTER15]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-candidate-geoffrey-clarke-calls-1495957

[kvalidir]

Then maybe the left ought to do the same thing and say what we really feel, but then all the UKippers scream ' You can't call ME a racist!!!!!'

[dunnitall]

Yes the article is from 2012, why and who has brought it to the fore now? Yet more dirty tricks from the main parties against UKIP is it? If so it will continue now until the GE, obviously they think they pose a threat but IMO maybe it will backfire and people will not like them being treated as the underdog!

[mikey4444]

kvalidir...there was a time when to admit that you are a racist was a shameful thing to do, but now it appears that it is counted as a badge of honour. People seem to be proud to say that they racist ! Extraordinary but true, if my experience is anything to go by.

[kvalidir]

I know Mikey, even in my relatively short life I am shocked by how racist, right wing and generally isolationist everyone has become. It's becoming more and more acceptable to hold views that people died to eradicate, and they are proud of it.

[anotheoldgit]

/// When we lived in Devon we used to occasionally visit McDonalds, they employed a lovely lad with Downes Syndrome, he was a real asset them. He would clean the floors and take meals to tables, that's what he loved to do, he was very polite and friendly and had won awards from McDonalds for his friendly service. He would often sit down and have a chat with the kids, everybody loved him. ///

Reading through this I immediately thought how patronising this was, already it shows that a person who happens to be Downes Syndrome is a person who was good enough to clean floors and take meals to tables, and then take time to chat with the kids.

It is almost on the level of talking down and shouting in a slow voice to someone in a wheel chair.

Regarding Babies detected as having Downes Syndrome or Spina Bifidia being aborted, I wonder how many of those showing complete horror at the suggestion, would themselves choose to have an abortion if they found that their expected baby had these conditions?

[Baldric]

Why bring it up now?

///BBC News. 18 December 2012 Last updated at 20:24.

UKIP suspends Down's syndrome abortion call candidate///

[Sqad]

AOG

\\\Regarding Babies detected as having Downes Syndrome or Spina Bifidia being aborted, I wonder how many of those showing complete horror at the suggestion, would themselves choose to have an abortion if they found that their expected baby had these conditions?\\

Indeed or any other genetic structural abnormality.

However i feel that most of the "disgusted" posters are "balking" at the word, COMPULSORY rather than an informed personal decision.

[kvalidir]

It is the ' compulsary' aspect I am horrified about as Sqad says, but to address your question AOG, no I would not have an abortion if I discovered I was carrying a child with either Spina Bifida or Downs syndrome. The only time I would consider that is if I was told that the child would be in terrible pain and have no quality of life, which is untrue for both of those conditions generally.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "/// When we lived in Devon we used to occasionally visit McDonalds, they employed a lovely lad with Downes Syndrome, he was a real asset them. He would clean the floors and take meals to tables, that's what he loved to do, he was very polite and friendly and had won awards from McDonalds for his friendly service. He would often sit down and have a chat with the kids, everybody loved him. ///

Reading through this I immediately thought how patronising this was, already it shows that a person who happens to be Downes Syndrome is a person who was good enough to clean floors and take meals to tables, and then take time to chat with the kids."

I don't think it shows that at all.

It shows that the lad in question was employed in a job that hundreds of able-bodied people do every day - and that he enjoyed his job, and his customer interaction.

The interface you appear to draw from his occupatipon and his condition is conicidental - nothing more. I suggest you are seeing a patronising attitude where none was intended or inferred.

[McMouse]

Polititions ofter provoke discussion about very challenging subjects and this is called free speech. Surely it's better to have an open debate and tease out the pros and cons to arrive at a more informed opinion on such matters.

[sandyRoe]

Didn't the Nazis hold similar views about people who weren't 'perfect'?

[sp1814]

What a bizarre manifesto.

He goes on to say:

"It should also look into medical treatment for people over the age of 80, which the 66-year-old says is "extraordinarily costly" to the NHS.

I wonder what he means? Should the NHS withhold treatment? Or perhaps have time limits on the elderly?

Is this fair?

Does anyone agree with this?

[237SJ]

Sp -I bet he won`t hold that view in 14 years' time.

[Baldric]

But since that was written in 2012 and he was suspended in 2012 we've not heard anymore about it

[atalanta]

I used to think Downs children were hopeless, but my eyes were opened when I saw a documentary which featured a boy, obviously Downs from his facial features, in a graduate gown and mortarboard, having graduated from a US college. Nowadays I think a bit harder before accepting stereotypes.

[pixie373]

Just glad he was suspended. I can't post what i think of him!

[robofluff]

I feel for people with disabilities, its so very difficult to be accepted as a person or to even be seen outside of the disability, the attitudes of some people are disgusting towards the disabled, then there are the people that ignore them completely as if they don't exist.

[youngmafbog]

No, I dont agree with him Mickey.

However, if in the position of having to take on a child like that I must confess I dont really know what I would do. It is easy to sit on the side lines and snipe at those that make a decision but unless you have been in the position you really dont know. One of my daughters is disabled, we love her dearly but believe me it has, and still is sometimes, a real struggle.

This is of course not News at all, just someone trying to sling mud at UKIP and failing miserably.

[pixie373]

That's why it's an individual decision, ymb. It does depend how parents can cope. I wouldn't judge somebody for their decision- it's the compulsory part that angers me. Anyway, all that would happen, i think, is that pregnant women would decline tests and scans, just in case- and that might endanger the mother or baby for different reasons.

[emmie]

wrong on every level.