Hundreds Of Migrants Set Up New Illegal Camp, Nicknamed 'jungle 2'in French Port Of Calais

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713761/From-Eritrea-Sudan-new-migrant-queue-Calais-Latest-illegal-encampment-spring-hundreds-currently-waiting-chance-escape.html

It is often said we need immigration to this country, I wonder how many Doctors, Nurses, entrepreneurs etc are among this lot?

/// Sixteen-year-old Eritrean girls Almas and Halan told the Daily Mail they had taken months to reach Calais from their homeland. ///

/// ‘We both want to learn, to study commercial sciences in England,’ said Almas. ///

What about doing their studying in France, why do they need to come specifically to England?

[boxtops]

'cos we'll take them, France won't. We've known about Jungle 2 for some weeks here in Dover - it was set up almost as soon as Jungle 1 was cleared by the French police, and it's still too near to the truck access roads to the docks. It's crazy. 28 people were caught in the back of a truck trying to LEAVE England the other day - what did we do? Kept 'em, slooshing round in the system for months again waiting to deport them legally. I'd have let them go - they don't want to be here.

[baza]

How many borders did they cross? it must be our wonderful education system or more likely the benefit system

[sandyRoe]

They must have had dreadful lives in their homelands if they are prepared to risk such a journey.
Those young Eritrean girls, Almas and Halan, would be an asset to any country. Let them in, I say

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

Care to take them in and support them yourself Sandy?

[sandyRoe]

That particular pair, I'd consider.

[ummmm]

If they are illegal, Baza, they can't claim benefits.

[mushroom25]

ummmm, they can't claim benefit, at least not at first. but they will get this.
https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// If they are illegal, Baza, they can't claim benefits. ///

I wouldn't depend too much on them being found to be illegal, even if they are found to be hiding in transport, the authorities still spend time and money assessing if they have a right to remain here.

*** It is not known when the men hid themselves in the sports cars. They were handed over to immigration officials, who will assess whether they have a right to remain here. ***

[boxtops]

Asylum is supposed to be claimed as you cross the first safe border, if life at home is unbearable. France is safe. They just don't want them, they see it as our problem. How they work that out is beyond me.

[dave50]

We need to start being hard on any that are found and send them back by force immediately, never mind asylum, tough, we're full, end of story.

[boxtops]

I've said several times we ought to do what they do in the Canary Islands - they find illegals getting off a boat on the beach, they round 'em up, feed them, give them a quick health check, then put them on the first plane back.

[anotheoldgit]

/// In some cases they are deported, usually to Belgium as migrants claim that their point of entry into the EU was in that country. ///

/// The migrants then return the few miles from Belgium to resume attempts to stow away to Britain. ///

Wait a minute, how can their point of entry into the EU be Belgium?

One has to get into Belgium either from the Netherlands, Germany or Luxenbourg, unless of course they approached it from the North Sea.

[EDDIE51]

mushroom25 that is what they get if they arrive here and claim asylum , (which then makes them 'Legal' at least for a time) . The true illegals do not claim asylum they just blend into the rest of their particular ethnic community and work for cash in hand, no benefits.
AOG the main reason people want to study in the UK rather than France for example is that we teach and speak in English which is the most widely spoken accepted language in the world. For example all international air traffic control is in English no matter where the aircraft or controllers are from or based, a French controller controlling an Egyptian air craft speaks to them in English, a Russian controller speaks to a Chinese aircraft in English the same everywhere in the world. English is the 2nd language of choice in every non English speaking nation.

[factor-fiction]

Hi boxtops- it sounds easy but where do they get sent back to if they have no passports?

[boxtops]

I can't answer that one, factor - we know that some people leave France with papers, but throw them in the sea halfway across..... Many are known already to be in Calais though, Border Control is on both sides of the Channel these days, so they'd recognise 'em, perhaps.

[mushroom25]

eddie, whilst I support your view on the primacy of English, air traffic control, in particular as practiced by the French, was perhaps not a good example. whilst an egyptian aircraft in france will be spoken to in English, French aircraft receive their instructions in French. as air traffic is controlled on open channels, this means the Egyptian crew either need a command of French, or they will miss a lot of what's going on. this situation has caused serious incidents in the past.
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/540/handouts/french/airfrance/air-france.html

[factor-fiction]

I was just wondering how The Canary Islands do it, boxtops, but maybe they always come from the same place in Africa

[boxtops]

Yes - I believe they tend to come by boat from the nearest country, i.e. Morocco

[sandyRoe]

Do The Canary Islands not move them on to mainland Spain?

[boxtops]

Sandy, you might be right about that, but I'd understood that they ship them "back to whence they came".

Going back to the OP - who do these girls think will pay for their studies.....?