Niqab Ban - Right Or Wrong?

[agchristie]

Another place of learning faces accusations of 'Islamophobia'. Despite the guidelines, should there be a complete ban in schools, universities, courts, etc where visualising interaction is necessary or would this be seen as discriminatory to Muslims?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/camden-school-for-girls-in-discrimination-storm-after-demanding-16yearold-removes-niqab-9751735.html

[ToraToraTora]

I have no tolerance for any religious claptrap. A place of education is no place for this baloney. If they prefer this *** to an education, be my guest.

[naomi24]

Indeed! :o)

[askyourgran]

Sandy the last time I was in Harrods it was awash with niqabs at the jewellery stall it was packed with the goodies baubles bangles etc being shoved inside the niqabs faster than Mo Farrar with the runs. Cocking a snook at the people who are open and willing to face the world and stopping them from interacting with everyone, shows what a crock of doodah that peice of clothing is.

[naomi24]

^That was to Jayne.

[sandyRoe]

I'm going to risk transgressing against Godwin's law here. When the Jews in occupied Denmark were ordered to wear a Star of David didn't the king there also wear one? While I'm not going to start wearing a niqab in support of children being deprived of their right to an education, I think lots of young women in London might who otherwise wouldn't.

[naomi24]

Not if it's banned.

[ToraToraTora]

don't talk rot sandy, they can have an education they just have to obey the rules like normal people. niqab, jibjab, kin burka etc are not mentioned in the koran anyway. They just do it to be contrary.

[Mamyalynne]

I personally would love to see these girls/young women fresh faced and smiling.

However I feel the attempts at banning the veil have lead to a more rebellious nature in some to actually wear it and is perhaps partly responsible for the rise in Muslim Schools - I see that only as further separation.


Allthat said, each School has the right to change it's rules as this one has.

[naomi24]

mmm, a kin burka. That's new. Vivienne Westwood? ;o)

[Obiter]

In 1723 it was made a capital offence to go out at night with your face blacked up with soot. No wonder the poor chimney sweepers rushed to get home before dark.

[sandyRoe]

Naomi, has the ban been effective in France?
TTT, that's part of my argument. A girl being contrary may not realise the consequences of her actions. Pulled out of school as soon as possible and deprived of the chance of an education seems a high price to pay for a bit of teenage silliness.

[naomi24]

No religious symbols in French schools, so I think it's working, but if you know differently, do enlighten us.

[naomi24]

I'll catch up tomorrow. Got to go to bed. Night all. x

[ToraToraTora]

her dozy parents could always send her to school properly dressed. I have no sympathy for any religious cobblers in schools.

[askyourgran]

Where I live there are quite a few high schools attended by Asian girls, I have noticed lately they have abandoned the veil and wear normal schoolgirl clothing, and behave like normal teenage schoolgirls, they look less oppressed, much prettier. It is refreshing to see them without the trailing nylon clothing and headscarf.

[naomi24]

I’ve just read a report putting another slant on this – that of ascertaining the student’s identity when sitting exams.

[mushroom25]

//It's part of some people's culture. You have to respect other cultures.//

I know the spirit in which that comment was made but it raises a valid point - Britain claims to be "multicultural", but certain aspects of that which we're meant to respect is actually incompatible with our cultural sensibilities. where should the line be drawn, or should there be no line?

would those of you condemning school dress codes like this be happy to see tolerance extended to other cultural practices that some disagree with - like female circumcision for instance? why not? it's a part of many cultures in sub-Saharan Africa and parts of asia isn't it? and we're multicultural aren't we?

[Baldric]

The Ban is correct imo.

[Svejk]

As a matter of interest, would you then have to ban the turban. Personally, I don't feel 'uncomfortable' with men/boys in turbans.